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BBC National News: Presentation

(April 2008)

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WO
Worzel
DrewF posted:
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I imagine this might be a regular thing from now on - wide shot opening for the teatime news and standing for the Ten. The few times that the Six has been from N6 since the relaunch they have never stood up.


Very Happy Very Happy Shocked Shocked Shocked As I say what is stopping the News channel presenters doing that for the first story, if this was done during say 11am-4pm for example, thats a grand total of only 5 TOTH's!!

As has been said... it was done before and looked good and just gave the channel a bit more feeling...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrDNDQwzPhQ&playnext=1&list=PLE4FACF69C9765E6E

House posted:
It does look far better - for what should be such a flexible set (with two standing positions, if you count both where reporters and business presenters come from and the area the weather comes from) they let it get very stale. What I don't understand is why a presenter standing in itself needs to be rehearsed - as established business and sports presenters both stand and sit from that area on the NC and Film24 has no time for rehearsal, and they used to stand at the screen in the far pod quite a lot for the TOTH on News 24.

I'm still much more of a fan of the set layout the nationals had pre-2008 in N6 than this. At the very least they made N6 seem a lot bigger on screen during that time, even if it had to suit a different purpose.


Yep, agree 100% and as you know have been pushing this issue for over a year now. Wink
Last edited by Worzel on 28 February 2011 1:48am - 4 times in total
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chris
I really hate this and the News Channel threads now. They've become the "I want standing up" threads.
PE
Pete Founding member
chris posted:
I really hate this and the News Channel threads now. They've become the "I want standing up" threads.


Were you standing up when you wrote that? I think we should be told. I'm sitting down at the moment.

I have now stood up.

And back down again.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
I'm going to be incredibly rebellious here, but I absolutely loathe standing up news presentation. When standing, I think newsreaders look awkward and uncomfortable and camera shots of the newsreader's whole body reduce the size of their face and thus, in my opinion, makes the viewer feel distant from proceedings. This was the case with ITV News for much of the 2000s. A seated newsreader has served us very well for decades and personally, I see nothing wrong with it whatsoever. I for one am glad that BBC News went back to having newsreaders seated - it certainly looks far more professional.
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nat210790
I'm going to be incredibly rebellious here, but I absolutely loathe standing up news presentation. When standing, I think newsreaders look awkward and uncomfortable and camera shots of the newsreader's whole body reduce the size of their face and thus, in my opinion, makes the viewer feel distant from proceedings. This was the case with ITV News for much of the 2000s. A seated newsreader has served us very well for decades and personally, I see nothing wrong with it whatsoever. I for one am glad that BBC News went back to having newsreaders seated - it certainly looks far more professional.


I agree - standing up really adds nothing extra to a news bulletin - in my opinion, the opening to the 6 o'clock News for instance looks pretty messy 4 days out of 5, and the backdrop on the 10 looks pretty garish in the left hand corner of the back wall. It does look okay during 'The Hub' on BBC World News for instance, when the entire programme is based around a relatively small BARCO, where the presenter shots are set up properly, and the presenter can make use of the screen by pointing to a map for example.

But having Clive, or Huw, or George, or whoever standing up for an intro. lasting less than a minute, aimlessly next to a giant 'Libya Uprising' graphic to me, only has a negative effect. But I suppose it's down to personal preference, and to me presentation in N6 only looks remotely decent when presenters are sat at the desk.
DF
DrewF
I wouldn't suggest it adds any more detail to the news - it just serves well as a different type of presentation that is more interesting for the viewer (although I imagine 90% don't even notice.) I don't think there was anything wrong with being surprised, and mentioning on the forum that Clive was standing for the weekend news as it's not happened before, but like has been said, probably far too much of the postings are about unimportant, uninteresting things, particularly Worzel's posts.

My opinion as I said above is that standing up is a good thing for the opening - and is useful for things on the NC such as sport and business as more graphics can be used, particularly the business news with all sorts of facts and figures being shown, this is something that can't be done at the desk in N6 unless they are sitting in the second presenter's position on the right.

I think presentation is much better when more graphics are used to demonstrate the story, for example last week when Fiona Bruce finished the News at 10 standing up, with the Barcos behind showing stars. It doesn't neccesarily add anything to the story, and this could have even been done from the desk, but it's visually interesting and is more likely to catch someone's eye. And it's more interesting things such as that that bore other members on this forum, but isn't this what presentation is about? It's certainly better than a single shot of Fiona on the desk through the whole program.
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gilsta
I think the only logical answer to this debate is to give Huw Edwards a hydraulic desk.
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Gareth E
Just a note to say that, according to the RT website's listings, the Ten will rather curiously be deferred until 10.30pm on Comic Relief night, Friday 18th March. And Newsnight is also being delayed until 11.05pm, to allow Comic Relief to continue on BBC Two while the news is on BBC One.

Presumably there's a logical reason for this unusual scheduling, but I'm stumped if I can think of one . . .
MB
Media Boy
Just a note to say that, according to the RT website's listings, the Ten will rather curiously be deferred until 10.30pm on Comic Relief night, Friday 18th March. And Newsnight is also being delayed until 11.05pm, to allow Comic Relief to continue on BBC Two while the news is on BBC One.

Presumably there's a logical reason for this unusual scheduling, but I'm stumped if I can think of one . . .


I would guess to try and keep people from turning over to ITV for NAT....
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chris
Just a note to say that, according to the RT website's listings, the Ten will rather curiously be deferred until 10.30pm on Comic Relief night, Friday 18th March. And Newsnight is also being delayed until 11.05pm, to allow Comic Relief to continue on BBC Two while the news is on BBC One.

Presumably there's a logical reason for this unusual scheduling, but I'm stumped if I can think of one . . .


I would guess to try and keep people from turning over to ITV for NAT....


So thus encouraging those who want to see the Ten O'Clock News switching to ITV? Odd.

12 days later

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chris_rgu
chris posted:
Just a note to say that, according to the RT website's listings, the Ten will rather curiously be deferred until 10.30pm on Comic Relief night, Friday 18th March. And Newsnight is also being delayed until 11.05pm, to allow Comic Relief to continue on BBC Two while the news is on BBC One.

Presumably there's a logical reason for this unusual scheduling, but I'm stumped if I can think of one . . .


I would guess to try and keep people from turning over to ITV for NAT....


So thus encouraging those who want to see the Ten O'Clock News switching to ITV? Odd.


It's at 10pm on my sky EPG and on the BBC website.
GE
Gareth E
chris posted:
Just a note to say that, according to the RT website's listings, the Ten will rather curiously be deferred until 10.30pm on Comic Relief night, Friday 18th March. And Newsnight is also being delayed until 11.05pm, to allow Comic Relief to continue on BBC Two while the news is on BBC One.

Presumably there's a logical reason for this unusual scheduling, but I'm stumped if I can think of one . . .


I would guess to try and keep people from turning over to ITV for NAT....


So thus encouraging those who want to see the Ten O'Clock News switching to ITV? Odd.


It's at 10pm on my sky EPG and on the BBC website.


Indeed - that's been changed in the last day or two. So it was either a scheduling error in the first place or, given events in Lybia and Japan, the decision has been taken to run the Ten at the normal time.

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