The Newsroom

BBC National/News Channel from New Broadcasting House

(March 2013)

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Worzel
noggin posted:
Worzel posted:
noggin posted:
DTV posted:
chris posted:
House posted:
While I'm aware TVC news operations used various degrees of automation, let's not forget News 24 and 2008-onwards News at one were by no means perfect operations. BBC World (News) also had its fair share of problems.


Exactly - I remember the countless problems we had on News 24 post-2008, many more than in Broadcasting House.


Yeah, just go onto Youtube there are countless videos of wrong astons, BARCOs going on/off, Graphics Fails, Cutting to the wrong camera, loss of audio, playout errors. The reason there were barely any camera move fails was because, from N6 and N8, basically there was no camera moves - OK they occasionally would zoom in and out and Pan at the beginning of the One and Ten and for some programmes on BBC World News the Camera moved a bit but apart from that the cameras couldn't really go wrong.


I think the only automatic camera move used routinely in the TVC News studios (News 24 at least) was the opening depress and zoom off the titles that was introduced when News 24 moved from N9 to N8 in Nov 1998. It didn't last long (as it was so easy to get it wrong by overstoring the wrong shot in the pre-defined box that Columbus recalled on Radamec...)


Was the noisy tractor cam introduced in 2003, manually triggered?


Totally forgotten that. Can't remember. There was a tracking cam (not much better - in fact in some ways worse - than a CCTV camera) installed for 1998 - but it was so bad it was never used...


Memories (1:36 into the clip)...



I think you even get to hear it's gammy wheel in that clip too. Laughing

It's funny how 10 years on from that era of BBC News, we've gone back to same style TOTH again (one presenter seated, one stood)... Not that I'm complaining I have you know... Wink
NG
noggin Founding member
Ah - and the old TOG live-rendered titles - with story-specific headline text.
MU
Muckspreader
noggin posted:
Ah - and the old TOG live-rendered titles - with story-specific headline text.


What they did with the TOG was pretty rubbish, really. Wasn't it.
NG
noggin Founding member
Muckspreader posted:
noggin posted:
Ah - and the old TOG live-rendered titles - with story-specific headline text.


What they did with the TOG was pretty rubbish, really. Wasn't it.


Technically it was quite clever for the time (in fact quite clever for now). Real-time 3D rendering the title sequence every time it was played with bespoke elements from ENPS was quite a neat thing to be able to do. It could have been designed better I guess - but technically it was impressive.

(I believe that is how it worked - I don't think it was just a video clip with some clever keying of the "top story" text - though it might have been)
MB
Media Boy
noggin posted:
Muckspreader posted:
noggin posted:
Ah - and the old TOG live-rendered titles - with story-specific headline text.


What they did with the TOG was pretty rubbish, really. Wasn't it.


Technically it was quite clever for the time (in fact quite clever for now). Real-time 3D rendering the title sequence every time it was played with bespoke elements from ENPS was quite a neat thing to be able to do. It could have been designed better I guess - but technically it was impressive.

(I believe that is how it worked - I don't think it was just a video clip with some clever keying of the "top story" text - though it might have been)


Nope it took the text from ENPS and rendered the whole sequence downstream of the mixer, and the headline producer had a tick box to tell the globe where it should 'land' on its spin.
If you didn't enter text, BBC NEWS, would replace the 'headline text here' that was in ENPS.
Sometimes it failed to fire, so you would move on and then 10 seconds into the top cue it would fire!
CH
chris
Media Boy posted:
noggin posted:
Muckspreader posted:
noggin posted:
Ah - and the old TOG live-rendered titles - with story-specific headline text.


What they did with the TOG was pretty rubbish, really. Wasn't it.


Technically it was quite clever for the time (in fact quite clever for now). Real-time 3D rendering the title sequence every time it was played with bespoke elements from ENPS was quite a neat thing to be able to do. It could have been designed better I guess - but technically it was impressive.

(I believe that is how it worked - I don't think it was just a video clip with some clever keying of the "top story" text - though it might have been)


Nope it took the text from ENPS and rendered the whole sequence downstream of the mixer, and the headline producer had a tick box to tell the globe where it should 'land' on its spin.
If you didn't enter text, BBC NEWS, would replace the 'headline text here' that was in ENPS.
Sometimes it failed to fire, so you would move on and then 10 seconds into the top cue it would fire!


I found it impressive at the time, although there was the period when, I believe, due to a virus the globe spun completely out of control. That was bizarre.

I also feel that nobody other than TV Forumers would notice the fact that the globe changed position depending on the top story, and that there was obviously more UK/Europe stories on News 24 so changed much more rarely than would be noticeable.
NG
noggin Founding member
Media Boy posted:
noggin posted:
Muckspreader posted:
noggin posted:
Ah - and the old TOG live-rendered titles - with story-specific headline text.


What they did with the TOG was pretty rubbish, really. Wasn't it.


Technically it was quite clever for the time (in fact quite clever for now). Real-time 3D rendering the title sequence every time it was played with bespoke elements from ENPS was quite a neat thing to be able to do. It could have been designed better I guess - but technically it was impressive.

(I believe that is how it worked - I don't think it was just a video clip with some clever keying of the "top story" text - though it might have been)


Nope it took the text from ENPS and rendered the whole sequence downstream of the mixer, and the headline producer had a tick box to tell the globe where it should 'land' on its spin.
If you didn't enter text, BBC NEWS, would replace the 'headline text here' that was in ENPS.
Sometimes it failed to fire, so you would move on and then 10 seconds into the top cue it would fire!


Thought I was right in my remembrance. You have to love it simply for not scrolling "Headline Text Here"...
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Media Boy posted:
Nope it took the text from ENPS and rendered the whole sequence downstream of the mixer, and the headline producer had a tick box to tell the globe where it should 'land' on its spin.
If you didn't enter text, BBC NEWS, would replace the 'headline text here' that was in ENPS.
Sometimes it failed to fire, so you would move on and then 10 seconds into the top cue it would fire!


More often than not the top story was from one of the main continents so it would either spin from North/South America, Europe, Africa or Asia. Sometimes you would get Australia but I remember getting way too excited one time when the news was about either the Arctic or Antarctica and the globe spun from that position. I think I might have been recording it at the time and so managed to generate a clip, although where that is now I don't know. Yes, I know....getting excited about the globe spinning from unusual places was *very* sad! Laughing
DV
dvboy
NC showing BBC World News America instead of the 10 tonight.
HA
harshy Founding member
itsrobert posted:
Media Boy posted:
Nope it took the text from ENPS and rendered the whole sequence downstream of the mixer, and the headline producer had a tick box to tell the globe where it should 'land' on its spin.
If you didn't enter text, BBC NEWS, would replace the 'headline text here' that was in ENPS.
Sometimes it failed to fire, so you would move on and then 10 seconds into the top cue it would fire!


More often than not the top story was from one of the main continents so it would either spin from North/South America, Europe, Africa or Asia. Sometimes you would get Australia but I remember getting way too excited one time when the news was about either the Arctic or Antarctica and the globe spun from that position. I think I might have been recording it at the time and so managed to generate a clip, although where that is now I don't know. Yes, I know....getting excited about the globe spinning from unusual places was *very* sad! Laughing


I didnt like them too much it has to be said I thought it was a bit juddery in movement i think it improved when the globe went red but of course they messed up the BBC World News branding by putting BBC WORLD and putting BBC NEWS below when the globe went red, when it was the orange version, this was the right way around.
JA
Jamesypoo
harshy posted:
they messed up the BBC World News branding by putting BBC WORLD and putting BBC NEWS below when the globe went red, when it was the orange version, this was the right way around.

They did? Why has this not been mentioned before!?
GE
thegeek Founding member
Jamesypoo posted:
They did? Why has this not been mentioned before!?
I don't know, but I think this earth-shatteringly important issue deserves more discussion.

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