The Newsroom

BBC National/News Channel from New Broadcasting House

(March 2013)

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OF
oflahertya
Muckspreader posted:
coolalfieo posted:


I am sure they would have listened to you if you had said it Nicer or less 'I know it all, you dont know anything so Shut Up


Yes. Probably.
I'm tired of fanatics presenting fantasy as fact.
Should I bother? Probably not.
Will I tell any really interesting stuff? Never.
Do I care? No.


Except they wernt telling it as fact they were telling it as a suggestion!
CI
cityprod
Muckspreader posted:
cityprod posted:
Muckspreader posted:
DTV posted:
Muckspreader posted:
N6 was a door away from the newsroom in TVC, not a long way away. N8 was pretty much right above it, one level up.

Actually N6 was quite a bit off the Newsroom
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Muckspreader posted:
The only news anchors in the building will be the ones on air, the ones preparing, and the ones working on other stuff.

Do you actually read into what people are trying to say or just insult anyone who disagrees with you. I didn't say they were just sat around I was saying that in the case of them needing a presenter in say Studio E and the presenter was in Studio A in a breaking news situation they could throw to a presenter for the time taken to move studio or stay in the studio until the next presenter change regardless of the normal studio schedule. And in the case of them needing to change the ones preparing or working on other stuff could easily be moved into Studio.
Muckspreader posted:
You guys all seem to think that any scenario can be implimented at a moment's notice, but it's just not possible. Stuff doesn't just happen.

Sorry, but on this planet throwing to correspondents for 10 minutes or getting an off air presenter to go on air with a couple of minutes notice is far from impossible. They used to do it all the time before N24 when a breaking news story broke during say the middle of the night and more recently used to move to Studio N9 with a moments notice. But what I was saying was that if say at 1655 a breaking news story happened they could stay in Studio E and could ignore the Studio Schedule instead of moving to Studio C and move the News at Six to Studio C, back at TVC they did last minute studio changes several times.
Muckspreader posted:
You don't appriciate just how complicated things are.

Yes I do, you just don't read into what people are trying to say.


I love it when someone such as yourself, who clearly thinks they know it all, come back like this.

I don't care what you think the floor plan shows. The N6 set was directly behind the N6 gallery, which itself was on one side of the newsroom. Not away from the the news room, but right in the newsroom; right next to the desks where the News Channel was produced from. The N6 set was through one set of double doors away from that. So stop whining.
N8 was one flight up. There were stairs from pretty much right outside the N6 gallery directly up to N8.
N9 was up those stairs, and down a short corridor. You could walk to N9 from N6 in less than a minute.

Your idea about shifting the 6 into C is one that will never happen, unless on extreme, extreme circumstances. Where will the crew come from to staff C for the 6? The 6 is a network bulletin, and thus trumps the News Channel. That is fact.

Ofcourse, in theory, and technically, ANYTHING ins possible, and people will do WHATEVER is needed of them. But dreaming up scenarios and suggesting what you want to happen is just pie in the sky. Smile


And now you are just living up to your name, muckspreader. It's amazing how muckspreaders, when confronted with irrefutable evidence, such as an official floor plan, still try to refute it. The evidence is undeniable, your refuting it makes you look like a loon. Give up now.


This is brilliant.
You haven't even been to TVC, have you?
Look, I don't care what you think you're saying, or what you may have seen on an rcj report.
What I have said about the proximity of N6, N8, and N9 is correct. Itsrobert is also correct.
I may have a sharp tongue, but what I say here is fact. Floorplan or not, you are wrong.
Thanks.
Wanna carry on?


And now, you have just removed all doubt that you are a fool. You have damned yourself with your own words, and you don't care that you've done that. So, carry on regardless. I'm no longer interested in talking to you, thank you and good day.
DA
David
cityprod posted:
And now, you have just removed all doubt that you are a fool. You have damned yourself with your own words, and you don't care that you've done that. So, carry on regardless. I'm no longer interested in talking to you, thank you and good day.


No, cityprod! Think about your career, don't say something you are going to regret later. I think its pretty obvious that Muckspreader has spent some time at BBC Television Centre. He probably works in HR as a New Talent Relationship Manager so you don't want to burn your bridges.
CI
cityprod
David posted:
cityprod posted:
And now, you have just removed all doubt that you are a fool. You have damned yourself with your own words, and you don't care that you've done that. So, carry on regardless. I'm no longer interested in talking to you, thank you and good day.


No, cityprod! Think about your career, don't say something you are going to regret later. I think its pretty obvious that Muckspreader has spent some time at BBC Television Centre. He probably works in HR as a New Talent Relationship Manager so you don't want to burn your bridges.


Maybe, but the attitude he displayed, well it's not the first time I've come across it from others in the industry, and frankly, I dislike it intensely. I'm not looking for a career. I do what I love, and I love what I do, and that's all that matters.
NG
noggin Founding member
My goodness. You go away from the forum for a day and war breaks out...

muckspreader does know what he's talking about - though he's slightly misremembering the detailed geography. There was an apps room, clip studio and TX area directly behind the gallery, not the studio floor - though to all intents and purposes it felt like the studio and gallery were back-to-back. (Embarassing reason for this - originally there wasn't going to BE an N6 studio... Newsroom presentation was the order of the day. Then it wasn't - so they land-grabbed a bit of Stage V I believe for the studio floor...)

The reality is that the practical route to get from a presenters seat in the Stage VI newsroom to a presenters seat on set in N6 in Stage V was a very short walk. Either through the main Stage VI/Stage V corridor or through RCR and past TX (latterly the Sixty Seconds gallery) and the Clip Studio.

In the pre-News Channel days, when N6 was not on-air continuously, some presenters used to cut it VERY fine to get to the studio in time for the daytime summaries. (Not uncommon for a director to lean out of the gallery - which was in the newsroom - door to remind them they needed to be miced/earpieced and on set in less than 2 minutes)
DT
DTV
noggin posted:
My goodness. You go away from the forum for a day and war breaks out...

muckspreader does know what he's talking about - though he's slightly misremembering the detailed geography. There was an apps room, clip studio and TX area directly behind the gallery, not the studio floor - though to all intents and purposes it felt like the studio and gallery were back-to-back. (Embarassing reason for this - originally there wasn't going to BE an N6 studio... Newsroom presentation was the order of the day. Then it wasn't - so they land-grabbed a bit of Stage V I believe for the studio floor...)

The reality is that the practical route to get from a presenters seat in the Stage VI newsroom to a presenters seat on set in N6 in Stage V was a very short walk. Either through the main Stage VI/Stage V corridor or through RCR and past TX (latterly the Sixty Seconds gallery) and the Clip Studio.

In the pre-News Channel days, when N6 was not on-air continuously, some presenters used to cut it VERY fine to get to the studio in time for the daytime summaries. (Not uncommon for a director to lean out of the gallery - which was in the newsroom - door to remind them they needed to be miced/earpieced and on set in less than 2 minutes)


After rewatching the Rory Cellan Jones video it looks like he takes this route after coming from the Stairwell
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which I assume is the usual route from the Newsroom to N6.

Although this has nothing to do with my original point that breaking the studio schedule could be necessary in Breaking News situation around 10 O'Clock in NBH as they are currently short one studio, how it ended up like this I have no idea. Plus I'd like to point out that I never presented anything as fact which to my knowledge wasn't true, unless during TVCs recent history they never did a last minute studio change. And I have been to Television Centre several times.
NG
noggin Founding member
Most presenters (apart possibly from those presenting the Ten) will have used the quicker and more direct route along the main corridor, not the route past the gallery you've shown. It was quicker as the One and Six presenters were nearer the door to the main Stage V/Stage VI corridor. (The route through RCR - which you've shown - WAS heavily used by directors, who used to cut headlines in a newsroom edit suite, when they had to get a last minute headline to TX - the tape TX area)

It's quite simple how they ended up in this situation. Circumstance.

BBC London had to leave Marylebone High Street. NBH, and their new studio, wasn't ready, so they had to build a temporary studio in what was planned to be the BBC Shop so that they could vacate Marylebone High Street in time. The BBC shop was never meant to be their permanent studio (they didn't have planning permission for it to be a studio. In fact The One Show moving in triggered a planning application to get the space re-assigned for broadcast use).

When NBH opened it was planned to move them into a main NBH studio (albeit one in a slightly different firezone - like their gallery - for resilience reasons) There was always going to be an overlap period where their gallery was going to be out of action (as it would have needed replumbing to their new studio - though it wouldn't have taken as long. However they also needed to upgrade to HD and move to the NBH playout systems - so it made sense to do the gallery rebuild at the same time)

There are always pragmatic decisions that need to be taken in a large project like this. Losing Studio A for a couple of hours a day to BBC London to allow them to move studios and upgrade their gallery kit is one of them. Sure it means the Ten and News Channel can't split for a couple of months. In reality, this is likely to mean a compromise that in other circumstances wouldn't be ideal on less than a handful of occasions?

(Also N9 took a lot longer than a few seconds to fire up. Media would not have been routinely dubbed to its playout servers - so you'd have to dub pretty much everything you needed - and if anything in it had been switched off, well good luck if you hoped it would come back on again... And it was also used - latterly I believe - as a "swap out" location for dodgy kit. So if N6, TC7 or N8 had something that was a bit ropey, and N9 had a better version of it...)
Last edited by noggin on 8 September 2013 11:50pm
GE
thegeek Founding member
thanks for restoring some semblance of reality, noggin - and for another interesting post.
JW
JamesWorldNews
noggin posted:
Most presenters (apart possibly from those presenting the Ten) will have used the quicker and more direct route along the main corridor, not the route past the gallery you've shown. It was quicker as the One and Six presenters were nearer the door to the main Stage V/Stage VI corridor. (The route through RCR - which you've shown - WAS heavily used by directors, who used to cut headlines in a newsroom edit suite, when they had to get a last minute headline to TX - the tape TX area)

It's quite simple how they ended up in this situation. Circumstance.

BBC London had to leave Marylebone High Street. NBH, and their new studio, wasn't ready, so they had to build a temporary studio in what was planned to be the BBC Shop so that they could vacate Marylebone High Street in time. The BBC shop was never meant to be their permanent studio (they didn't have planning permission for it to be a studio. In fact The One Show moving in triggered a planning application to get the space re-assigned for broadcast use).

When NBH opened it was planned to move them into a main NBH studio (albeit one in a slightly different firezone - like their gallery - for resilience reasons) There was always going to be an overlap period where their gallery was going to be out of action (as it would have needed replumbing to their new studio - though it wouldn't have taken as long. However they also needed to upgrade to HD and move to the NBH playout systems - so it made sense to do the gallery rebuild at the same time)

There are always pragmatic decisions that need to be taken in a large project like this. Losing Studio A for a couple of hours a day to BBC London to allow them to move studios and upgrade their gallery kit is one of them. Sure it means the Ten and News Channel can't split for a couple of months. In reality, this is likely to mean a compromise that in other circumstances wouldn't be ideal on less than a handful of occasions?

(Also N9 took a lot longer than a few seconds to fire up. Media would not have been routinely dubbed to its playout servers - so you'd have to dub pretty much everything you needed - and if anything in it had been switched off, well good luck if you hoped it would come back on again... And it was also used - latterly I believe - as a "swap out" location for dodgy kit. So if N6, TC7 or N8 had something that was a bit ropey, and N9 had a better version of it...)


Bravo! Even *I* understood all of that. No mean feat. Wink
19
1979
Not forgetting that N9 was also a spares studio. If something broke in N6/8 or TC7, often bits were "borrowed" from N9 for a quick fix. This did sometimes mean that when you went to use the studio, some parts may not have worked.
FL
flaziola
News channel is in B with Tim Wilcox for what appears to be (and is being presented as) a regular BBC World News bulletin.
EDIT: We even had a break which the News Channel filled with a Website promo and a plug or the BBC Four Movie music season.
Last edited by flaziola on 12 September 2013 6:16pm
DA
Davidjb Founding member
flaziola posted:
News channel is in B with Tim Wilcox for what appears to be (and is being presented as) a regular BBC World News bulletin.
EDIT: We even had a break which the News Channel filled with a Website promo and a plug or the BBC Four Movie music season.


What's the reason? I wasn't watching until about 6:10pm but as far as I can tell its just a bog standard BBC World News bulletin coming from studio B, no major breaking news that would cause the news channel to split from the 6?

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