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(March 2013)

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DO
dosxuk
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
Jon posted:
They'll have to do something about this, if it keeps happening. It's becoming a bit of a joke now.


There's only two real ways of preventing it though. Scrap the camera movements completely or ensure the operators don't make mistakes. The latter of which is going to take time, training and experience.


I didn't think there were operators for the non-network bulletins? Just a combination of the director and automation system...


By operators I meant "operators of the automation" Smile
NG
noggin Founding member
dosxuk posted:
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
Jon posted:
They'll have to do something about this, if it keeps happening. It's becoming a bit of a joke now.


There's only two real ways of preventing it though. Scrap the camera movements completely or ensure the operators don't make mistakes. The latter of which is going to take time, training and experience.


I didn't think there were operators for the non-network bulletins? Just a combination of the director and automation system...


By operators I meant "operators of the automation" Smile


They're called directors...
DO
dosxuk
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
Jon posted:
They'll have to do something about this, if it keeps happening. It's becoming a bit of a joke now.


There's only two real ways of preventing it though. Scrap the camera movements completely or ensure the operators don't make mistakes. The latter of which is going to take time, training and experience.


I didn't think there were operators for the non-network bulletins? Just a combination of the director and automation system...


By operators I meant "operators of the automation" Smile


They're called directors...


It could equally mean the people who have programmed / set up the automation, and the people who enter stuff into the running orders.
NG
noggin Founding member
dosxuk posted:
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
Jon posted:
They'll have to do something about this, if it keeps happening. It's becoming a bit of a joke now.


There's only two real ways of preventing it though. Scrap the camera movements completely or ensure the operators don't make mistakes. The latter of which is going to take time, training and experience.


I didn't think there were operators for the non-network bulletins? Just a combination of the director and automation system...


By operators I meant "operators of the automation" Smile


They're called directors...


It could equally mean the people who have programmed / set up the automation

Also directors - unless you mean the people who wrote the original software. Most of the News automation systems in use since the 90s at the BBC have been templated mainly by directors.

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and the people who enter stuff into the running orders.


Journalists.

In the broadcast industry operators is a very specific term and doesn't include journalists or directors. It usually describes people who are being directed (i.e. camera operators, graphics operators, VT operators, grams operators etc.) Whilst a director may operate Mosart, you wouldn't normally describe them as a Mosart operator...
BA
Bail Moderator
noggin posted:
Bail posted:
As a cameraman, I'd rather they had a single camera operator there and perhaps the hotheads but ditch the rails.

The tracks do let you get decent eyelines - the old static peds with remotes stranded you with some shockingly bad eyelines. I don't think there is a budget for an operator - News 24 didn't have one.

But isn't that sad? A channel that's on air 24 hours a day that doesn't use trained experienced crew, I could include the VTs in that too as they're increasingly self shot.
HA
harshy Founding member
Bail posted:
noggin posted:
Bail posted:
As a cameraman, I'd rather they had a single camera operator there and perhaps the hotheads but ditch the rails.

The tracks do let you get decent eyelines - the old static peds with remotes stranded you with some shockingly bad eyelines. I don't think there is a budget for an operator - News 24 didn't have one.

But isn't that sad? A channel that's on air 24 hours a day that doesn't use trained experienced crew, I could include the VTs in that too as they're increasingly self shot.


Hasn't that always been the case with BBC News Channel/24 but I presume it was manned when it was in N6?
HO
House
Surely go forward a few years and the technology available will be that bit more reliable. One thing that bugs me now is that the cameras have fixed shots - they don't with a presenter or guest, which can be a bit jarring. I can only imagine a few years from now face tracking will change this, for example.

And let's not forget what a nightmare BBC World News and News 24 could be for technical difficulties at TVC. Give them time and I'm sure the current kinks will be worked out.
HA
harshy Founding member
The technology is more reliable, its just that the Beeb are pushing the boundaries with Mosart, so I'm afraid these of blips are inevitable.

Makes for good TV Forum discussion though. Wink
GE
Generic
The problem with the Furio system is that the director or operator cannot modify a move until it has finished that move. If it starts to go wrong, there is nothing that can be done. The Shotoku system that was used at TVC and is in B and A allows over ride to finesse/adjust any shot.

C
CH
chris
Generic posted:
The problem with the Furio system is that the director or operator cannot modify a move until it has finished that move. If it starts to go wrong, there is nothing that can be done. The Shotoku system that was used at TVC and is in B and A allows over ride to finesse/adjust any shot.

C


So what is the benefit of the Furio system?
MW
Mike W
chris posted:
Generic posted:
The problem with the Furio system is that the director or operator cannot modify a move until it has finished that move. If it starts to go wrong, there is nothing that can be done. The Shotoku system that was used at TVC and is in B and A allows over ride to finesse/adjust any shot.

C


So what is the benefit of the Furio system?


Numbers on paper
CH
chris
Mike W posted:
chris posted:
Generic posted:
The problem with the Furio system is that the director or operator cannot modify a move until it has finished that move. If it starts to go wrong, there is nothing that can be done. The Shotoku system that was used at TVC and is in B and A allows over ride to finesse/adjust any shot.

C


So what is the benefit of the Furio system?


Numbers on paper


As in it is physically cheaper or just requires fewer staff?

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