The Newsroom

BBC National/News Channel from New Broadcasting House

(March 2013)

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roo
Worzel posted:

It was mentioned (if I remember rightly) that the News channel would go out into the newsroom from time to time for bits and pieces. I'm pretty sure the NC controller mentioned that during a Newswatch piece a week before the channel moved. So far it's only happened during the first two days of the move. Day one with Nick Higham showing us around and on day two when Matthew Amroliwala went out into the newsroom to show where the viewer emails/texts/tweets come in and spoke to one of the editors on duty about viewer reactions to stories.

The latter was absolutely fantastic as it connected the viewers with the stories and showed great interaction all round.


Mod edit: Don't bypass the swear word filter
JW
JamesWorldNews
BBC World still crosses over to the newsroom quite frequently for this type of content, especially during Impact and Global with Soapy.

They cross over to 'The Worlds Newsroom' as they call it.

Occasionally, it can be quite an interesting segment, but only so in cases that are clearly well planned and prepared.

Otherwise, as you suggest, it can look quite messy and contrived and, frankly, pointless.

Shame.

World now brings far more relevant correspondents into the studio though and now tends to do these segments from the main newsdesk rather than from the newsroom, I've noted it occur particularly frequently during weekends and mainly afternoons onwards.
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Cando
Barney Boo posted:

Except it didn't. It looked crap and underprepared, and doesn't connect anyone with blah blah blah. Anyone interested in the opinions of Joe Fúcktard can scroll through the comments and blindly upvote trite shíte in their own time.


Nail on the head
Worzel posted:

The latter was absolutely fantastic as it connected the viewers with the stories and showed great interaction all round.

Rolling Eyes please stop.
MU
Muckspreader
Barney Boo posted:
Worzel posted:

It was mentioned (if I remember rightly) that the News channel would go out into the newsroom from time to time for bits and pieces. I'm pretty sure the NC controller mentioned that during a Newswatch piece a week before the channel moved. So far it's only happened during the first two days of the move. Day one with Nick Higham showing us around and on day two when Matthew Amroliwala went out into the newsroom to show where the viewer emails/texts/tweets come in and spoke to one of the editors on duty about viewer reactions to stories.

The latter was absolutely fantastic as it connected the viewers with the stories and showed great interaction all round.

Except it didn't. It looked crap and underprepared, and doesn't connect anyone with blah blah blah. Anyone interested in the opinions of Joe Fúcktard can scroll through the comments and blindly upvote trite shíte in their own time.


Completely.

@Worzel: It's a rolling news channel? People don't sit watching it thinking "Oh, I wonder what that guy in the distance behind the glass thinks about this". It's not appointment to view television. You don't seem to know the audience.
And, again, the VR studio looks fine on telly, and 90% or more of the audience won't even realise it's not the usual studio.
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Worzel
Barney Boo posted:
Worzel posted:

It was mentioned (if I remember rightly) that the News channel would go out into the newsroom from time to time for bits and pieces. I'm pretty sure the NC controller mentioned that during a Newswatch piece a week before the channel moved. So far it's only happened during the first two days of the move. Day one with Nick Higham showing us around and on day two when Matthew Amroliwala went out into the newsroom to show where the viewer emails/texts/tweets come in and spoke to one of the editors on duty about viewer reactions to stories.

The latter was absolutely fantastic as it connected the viewers with the stories and showed great interaction all round.

Except it didn't. It looked crap and underprepared, and doesn't connect anyone with blah blah blah. Anyone interested in the opinions of Joe Fúcktard can scroll through the comments and blindly upvote trite shíte in their own time.


It does make me laugh on here how, if certain FM's disagree with another forum member you end up with obnoxious posts. Being civil and putting a reasoned reply doesn't cost anything.

Muckspreader posted:
Barney Boo posted:
Worzel posted:

It was mentioned (if I remember rightly) that the News channel would go out into the newsroom from time to time for bits and pieces. I'm pretty sure the NC controller mentioned that during a Newswatch piece a week before the channel moved. So far it's only happened during the first two days of the move. Day one with Nick Higham showing us around and on day two when Matthew Amroliwala went out into the newsroom to show where the viewer emails/texts/tweets come in and spoke to one of the editors on duty about viewer reactions to stories.

The latter was absolutely fantastic as it connected the viewers with the stories and showed great interaction all round.

Except it didn't. It looked crap and underprepared, and doesn't connect anyone with blah blah blah. Anyone interested in the opinions of Joe Fúcktard can scroll through the comments and blindly upvote trite shíte in their own time.


Completely.

@Worzel: It's a rolling news channel? People don't sit watching it thinking "Oh, I wonder what that guy in the distance behind the glass thinks about this". It's not appointment to view television. You don't seem to know the audience.
And, again, the VR studio looks fine on telly, and 90% or more of the audience won't even realise it's not the usual studio.


Did I say anything about the VR studio? No, you need to read my posts a bit better.

I actually commented that BBC News looks a lot better since moving to NBH. I notice that seems to have been selectively left off your reply.

Viewer comments about stories are not appointment to view television, where did I say that? They could form part of the overall coverage, if they are relevant and non-libel. Simon and Carrie often mention viewer messages in the mornings (or at least they used to).

God forbid anyone on a presentation forum (Moz for example, who started the ball rolling) actually discussing what he would like to see and bandying some ideas around. Rolling Eyes
Last edited by Worzel on 31 May 2013 1:31pm - 3 times in total
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LeeWN
JamesWorldNews posted:
World now brings far more relevant correspondents into the studio though and now tends to do these segments from the main newsdesk rather than from the newsroom, I've noted it occur particularly frequently during weekends and mainly afternoons onwards.


From what I've seen, they do that segment from the newsdesk more often now, mostly on the Studio B generic bulletins, bringing in some correspondents (as you rightly say) to explain the particular story.
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bilky asko
Worzel posted:
It was mentioned (if I remember rightly) that the News channel would go out into the newsroom from time to time for bits and pieces. I'm pretty sure the NC controller mentioned that during a Newswatch piece a week before the channel moved. So far it's only happened during the first two days of the move. Day one with Nick Higham showing us around and on day two when Matthew Amroliwala went out into the newsroom to show where the viewer emails/texts/tweets come in and spoke to one of the editors on duty about viewer reactions to stories.

The latter was absolutely fantastic as it connected the viewers with the stories and showed great interaction all round.

Overall I think the channel (apart from the technical camera gremlins and odd graphics fail) looks much better on screen than when it was in N6.

Why do they need to fulfil some awful buzzword requirements that don't really fit in with the definition of news (never mind your frankly ridiculous one - "NEWS = National, Emotive, Wise, Strong") by utilising some gimmick?

It is a coincidence that you like harking back to the days of 3 presenter Sky News where they cartwheeled down the stairs to tell a story?
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Worzel
bilky asko posted:
Worzel posted:
It was mentioned (if I remember rightly) that the News channel would go out into the newsroom from time to time for bits and pieces. I'm pretty sure the NC controller mentioned that during a Newswatch piece a week before the channel moved. So far it's only happened during the first two days of the move. Day one with Nick Higham showing us around and on day two when Matthew Amroliwala went out into the newsroom to show where the viewer emails/texts/tweets come in and spoke to one of the editors on duty about viewer reactions to stories.

The latter was absolutely fantastic as it connected the viewers with the stories and showed great interaction all round.

Overall I think the channel (apart from the technical camera gremlins and odd graphics fail) looks much better on screen than when it was in N6.

Why do they need to fulfil some awful buzzword requirements that don't really fit in with the definition of news (never mind your frankly ridiculous one - "NEWS = National, Emotive, Wise, Strong") by utilising some gimmick?

It is a coincidence that you like harking back to the days of 3 presenter Sky News where they cartwheeled down the stairs to tell a story?


Bilky, if the best you can stoop is to quote my signature... You need to get out more. Rolling Eyes

Where have I harked back to the days on 3 presenters on Sky News on this thread?

Shall we get back on topic now?
DT
DTV
Oddly enough Studio K has been used today for a Hugh Pym report.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22728026
ST
Standby
Prior to Sky's appointment to view schedule disaster, they had the newsroom presentation style spot on with Sky News Today. IIRC It was a great example of using the newsroom to add pace to the rolling news agenda. It can be done.
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bilky asko
Worzel posted:
bilky asko posted:
Worzel posted:
It was mentioned (if I remember rightly) that the News channel would go out into the newsroom from time to time for bits and pieces. I'm pretty sure the NC controller mentioned that during a Newswatch piece a week before the channel moved. So far it's only happened during the first two days of the move. Day one with Nick Higham showing us around and on day two when Matthew Amroliwala went out into the newsroom to show where the viewer emails/texts/tweets come in and spoke to one of the editors on duty about viewer reactions to stories.

The latter was absolutely fantastic as it connected the viewers with the stories and showed great interaction all round.

Overall I think the channel (apart from the technical camera gremlins and odd graphics fail) looks much better on screen than when it was in N6.

Why do they need to fulfil some awful buzzword requirements that don't really fit in with the definition of news (never mind your frankly ridiculous one - "NEWS = National, Emotive, Wise, Strong") by utilising some gimmick?

It is a coincidence that you like harking back to the days of 3 presenter Sky News where they cartwheeled down the stairs to tell a story?


Bilky, if the best you can stoop is to quote my signature... You need to get out more. Rolling Eyes

Where have I harked back to the days on 3 presenters on Sky News on this thread?


I'm not stooping to anything, I am merely making a point that what you want is in no way to do with news or "NEWS". According to what you've said, quoting idiotic things you say affects my social life. I can confirm that it does not, so I shall continue to point them out.

Did I say you were harking back in this thread? No I didn't.
Last edited by bilky asko on 11 October 2013 11:08am
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dosxuk
Standby posted:
Pre Sky's appointment to view schedule disaster they had the newsroom presentation style spot on with Sky News Today. IIRC It was a great example of using the newsroom to add pace to the rolling news agenda. It can be done.


However the viewers didn't agree and were already switching over to the BBC, the appointment-to-view being launched in an attempt to regain some of those lost viewers, which as you say turned out to be an even bigger disaster.

Muckspreader posted:
dosxuk posted:
harshy posted:
I would like to see Studio E use different colour lighting schemes for its branded shows although thinking about it BBC News doesn't have any really so we are stuck with red all the time. If anyone has seen Focus on Africa BBC World News do some fantastic lighting effects in Studio B.


I don't think Studio E can change colours like C. The photos of the studio from before the launch show the panels in E to be a brownish colour, while in C they were white - basically in E red panels with white backlighting and white panels with red backlighting in C.

Probably done so that on a sunny day any external light coming into the studio won't wash out the red (obviously not a problem in C).



What all you guys don't seem to take into account is that while you're asking for camera this, and red that, and a linking shot there, and another presentation position up there, if you want all that, someone is going to have to do it, and pay for it

The staffing and the budget can just about produce what they do now. If you actually knew the massive, massive technical challenge and production effort to just stay on air, you'd stop moaning.

It's not just Mosart which is, shall we say, challenging. But also if you want that stuff done, it takes time, money, and people. The BBC is in the fortutatous position to be license funded, sure. But that doesn't mean there's a bottomless pot of money. There simply isn't.


I don't know if you quoted me by accident, but I certainly wasn't putting forward a case for having disco colour changing panels and dance routines to introduce the headlines. In fact I was trying to explain one reason why it I think it would be impractical to have the colour changing panels in studio E. Although that said, I don't think there's anything wrong with people who don't know "the massive, massive technical challenge and production effort to just stay on air" making suggestions, and if it's not possible it would be nice if people explained why rather than rant about them moaning.

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