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(March 2013)

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DO
dosxuk
harshy posted:
I would like to see Studio E use different colour lighting schemes for its branded shows although thinking about it BBC News doesn't have any really so we are stuck with red all the time. If anyone has seen Focus on Africa BBC World News do some fantastic lighting effects in Studio B.


I don't think Studio E can change colours like C. The photos of the studio from before the launch show the panels in E to be a brownish colour, while in C they were white - basically in E red panels with white backlighting and white panels with red backlighting in C.

Probably done so that on a sunny day any external light coming into the studio won't wash out the red (obviously not a problem in C).
CA
Cando
DTV posted:

Yeah, the thing is that all the branded programmes and strands that the NC/N24 used to have have gone. I would love to see them bring back some programmes on the weekend, possibly even putting a little coffee table on the stand up area. They could bring some Business Editions back, They could have a branded Business Edition at 1630 for the closing of the LSE. It would be great if the News Channel had some variation like it did back in the 1999-2003 Era. T his could even include branding the Five and Nine as Newshours or something. But Studio E has some potential and it's a shame they don't use it.

Back in the 1999 era they used to have so many different strands and programmes Business Today, Agenda, Scoreline, Talking Movies, Straight Talk, Liquid News, Asia Today, Australia Direct, Europe Direct, 7 Days, One to One, The World Today and some which are still around today Sportsday, World Business Report, HARDtalk and Dateline London. And there were others in later years such as The Record, News 24 Tonight and E24. All things which gave the channel that little bit more.

Also, is it just me or is there a pattern on the panel in front of the desk in Studio E as it doesn't look like its just one colour. I noticed that it isn't the same as the one in Studio B and C as they are double sided.
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All hugely unpopular and expensive, As the ratings prove 99% of the audience just wants a quick bulletin from their news channels. Remember Sky's appointment to view schedule? The Sky report/World news with James Rubin etc Both UK news channels are mostly doing generic rolling news for a reason.
FL
flaziola
Cando posted:

All hugely unpopular and expensive, As the ratings prove 99% of the audience just wants a quick bulletin from their news channels. Remember Sky's appointment to view schedule? The Sky report/World news with James Rubin etc Both UK news channels are mostly doing generic rolling news for a reason.


Sky do however have a Business bulletin presented especially from the Gherkin and a Lunchtime program aimed primarily at political coverage. CNN have a few Business focused programs including a main anchor program Quest Means Business.
BBC World News continue to have Business News as a key component to their output, several World Business reports and region specific programs for Asia and India. Practically none of this is made available to domestic anymore. You have to be up at 5:30 in the morning for any sort of focus on UK business news. One hour, that beloved 9pm hour where BBC News are in a fake studio and BBC World News concentrate on Business matters could do wonders to redress the balance.
MU
Muckspreader
dosxuk posted:
harshy posted:
I would like to see Studio E use different colour lighting schemes for its branded shows although thinking about it BBC News doesn't have any really so we are stuck with red all the time. If anyone has seen Focus on Africa BBC World News do some fantastic lighting effects in Studio B.


I don't think Studio E can change colours like C. The photos of the studio from before the launch show the panels in E to be a brownish colour, while in C they were white - basically in E red panels with white backlighting and white panels with red backlighting in C.

Probably done so that on a sunny day any external light coming into the studio won't wash out the red (obviously not a problem in C).



What all you guys don't seem to take into account is that while you're asking for camera this, and red that, and a linking shot there, and another presentation position up there, if you want all that, someone is going to have to do it, and pay for it

The staffing and the budget can just about produce what they do now. If you actually knew the massive, massive technical challenge and production effort to just stay on air, you'd stop moaning.

It's not just Mosart which is, shall we say, challenging. But also if you want that stuff done, it takes time, money, and people. The BBC is in the fortutatous position to be license funded, sure. But that doesn't mean there's a bottomless pot of money. There simply isn't.
DT
DTV
Muckspreader posted:
dosxuk posted:
harshy posted:
I would like to see Studio E use different colour lighting schemes for its branded shows although thinking about it BBC News doesn't have any really so we are stuck with red all the time. If anyone has seen Focus on Africa BBC World News do some fantastic lighting effects in Studio B.


I don't think Studio E can change colours like C. The photos of the studio from before the launch show the panels in E to be a brownish colour, while in C they were white - basically in E red panels with white backlighting and white panels with red backlighting in C.

Probably done so that on a sunny day any external light coming into the studio won't wash out the red (obviously not a problem in C).



What all you guys don't seem to take into account is that while you're asking for camera this, and red that, and a linking shot there, and another presentation position up there, if you want all that, someone is going to have to do it, and pay for it

The staffing and the budget can just about produce what they do now. If you actually knew the massive, massive technical challenge and production effort to just stay on air, you'd stop moaning.

It's not just Mosart which is, shall we say, challenging. But also if you want that stuff done, it takes time, money, and people. The BBC is in the fortutatous position to be license funded, sure. But that doesn't mean there's a bottomless pot of money. There simply isn't.


I think you'll find we said it would be nice and would like not want. We know that the BBC is getting squeezed, what people are saying is that they have got a nice building but don't use it to it's full potential.

The BBC still employs plenty of Business presenters so it doesn't make sense to of got rid of business bulletins because there Sky News has the upper hand. As has been said it would make more sense to broadcast Business Edition instead of decamping to a horrible CGI studio, which looks like an unrendered SketchUp Model.
SW
Steve Williams
Cando posted:
All hugely unpopular and expensive, As the ratings prove 99% of the audience just wants a quick bulletin from their news channels. Remember Sky's appointment to view schedule? The Sky report/World news with James Rubin etc Both UK news channels are mostly doing generic rolling news for a reason.


Especially at 9pm when you'd assume quite a lot of viewers are looking for news. They don't care what the studio looks like, they want the national news, not foreign business stories.
MU
Muckspreader
DTV posted:
Muckspreader posted:
dosxuk posted:
harshy posted:
I would like to see Studio E use different colour lighting schemes for its branded shows although thinking about it BBC News doesn't have any really so we are stuck with red all the time. If anyone has seen Focus on Africa BBC World News do some fantastic lighting effects in Studio B.


I don't think Studio E can change colours like C. The photos of the studio from before the launch show the panels in E to be a brownish colour, while in C they were white - basically in E red panels with white backlighting and white panels with red backlighting in C.

Probably done so that on a sunny day any external light coming into the studio won't wash out the red (obviously not a problem in C).



What all you guys don't seem to take into account is that while you're asking for camera this, and red that, and a linking shot there, and another presentation position up there, if you want all that, someone is going to have to do it, and pay for it

The staffing and the budget can just about produce what they do now. If you actually knew the massive, massive technical challenge and production effort to just stay on air, you'd stop moaning.

It's not just Mosart which is, shall we say, challenging. But also if you want that stuff done, it takes time, money, and people. The BBC is in the fortutatous position to be license funded, sure. But that doesn't mean there's a bottomless pot of money. There simply isn't.


I think you'll find we said it would be nice and would like not want. We know that the BBC is getting squeezed, what people are saying is that they have got a nice building but don't use it to it's full potential.

The BBC still employs plenty of Business presenters so it doesn't make sense to of got rid of business bulletins because there Sky News has the upper hand. As has been said it would make more sense to broadcast Business Edition instead of decamping to a horrible CGI studio, which looks like an unrendered SketchUp Model.


I'm still confused about what you want 'the building' to do?

At the end of the day, all it is is a big box with lots of tv and radio studios in it. How would, say, taking the presenter up to the 5th floor for an hour make it a more rounded programme?

To go out of the studio it's like a mini OB, and that takes people, time, planning. All of which costs money.
Cameraman: they don't just magic out of thin air.
Camera: you'll need one of those too.
Link back to the tech area: can't really do it on cables, so needs to be radiocam. Can be sorted.
Producer and backwatcher: where will they come from? Cause all the producers will be busy trying to keep content coming in.

I honestly don't think you understand what you're asking for, unless you have endless cash available. And I don't understand how it will make it a better view. All I want is to be read the news, in a straightforward and informed way.


I actually also think the virtual studio looks really really good. If they used that all the time, I'd have no problems.
Last edited by Muckspreader on 30 May 2013 9:31pm
DT
DTV
Steve Williams posted:
Cando posted:
All hugely unpopular and expensive, As the ratings prove 99% of the audience just wants a quick bulletin from their news channels. Remember Sky's appointment to view schedule? The Sky report/World news with James Rubin etc Both UK news channels are mostly doing generic rolling news for a reason.


Especially at 9pm when you'd assume quite a lot of viewers are looking for news. They don't care what the studio looks like, they want the national news, not foreign business stories.


But Business Edition isn't all just Business Stories, last time I saw it, there was also quite a lot of just news.

Muckspreader posted:
DTV posted:
Muckspreader posted:
dosxuk posted:
harshy posted:
I would like to see Studio E use different colour lighting schemes for its branded shows although thinking about it BBC News doesn't have any really so we are stuck with red all the time. If anyone has seen Focus on Africa BBC World News do some fantastic lighting effects in Studio B.


I don't think Studio E can change colours like C. The photos of the studio from before the launch show the panels in E to be a brownish colour, while in C they were white - basically in E red panels with white backlighting and white panels with red backlighting in C.

Probably done so that on a sunny day any external light coming into the studio won't wash out the red (obviously not a problem in C).



What all you guys don't seem to take into account is that while you're asking for camera this, and red that, and a linking shot there, and another presentation position up there, if you want all that, someone is going to have to do it, and pay for it

The staffing and the budget can just about produce what they do now. If you actually knew the massive, massive technical challenge and production effort to just stay on air, you'd stop moaning.

It's not just Mosart which is, shall we say, challenging. But also if you want that stuff done, it takes time, money, and people. The BBC is in the fortutatous position to be license funded, sure. But that doesn't mean there's a bottomless pot of money. There simply isn't.


I think you'll find we said it would be nice and would like not want. We know that the BBC is getting squeezed, what people are saying is that they have got a nice building but don't use it to it's full potential.

The BBC still employs plenty of Business presenters so it doesn't make sense to of got rid of business bulletins because there Sky News has the upper hand. As has been said it would make more sense to broadcast Business Edition instead of decamping to a horrible CGI studio, which looks like an unrendered SketchUp Model.


I'm still confused about what you want 'the building' to do?

At the end of the day, all it is is a big box with lots of tv and radio studios in it. How would, say, taking the presenter up to the 5th floor for an hour make it a more rounded programme?

To go out of the studio it's like a mini OB, and that takes people, time, planning. All of which costs money.
Cameraman: they don't just magic out of thin air.
Camera: you'll need one of those too.
Link back to the tech area: can't really do it on cables, so needs to be radiocam. Can be sorted.
Producer and backwatcher: where will they come from? Cause all the producers will be busy trying to keep content coming in.

I honestly don't think you understand what you're asking for, unless you have endless cash available. And I don't understand how it will make it a better view. All I want is to be read the news, in a straightforward and informed way.


I actually also think the virtual studio looks really really good. If they used that all the time, I'd have no problems.


I'm not saying use the whole of NBH for Live Programmes but pre-recorded programmes such as Reporters could use NBH a lot more. We're just saying that Studio B and C are lit so nicely for different strands but Studio E unfortunately now turns out can only be lit red. And you keep saying I'm asking I never asked for anything I just said that It would be nice for them to use Studio E in a more varied manner. I am perfectly aware that the BBC has no money but even if they did light Studio E differently and pre-record Reporters in different sections of NBH it would cost little more than it currently does.

And the virtual studio is really good for everything except the News Set. The Newswatch and HARDtalk sets are both very detailed and look good on screen but the News Set just looks really bad. To me it looks like the desk and some rectangles.
MO
Moz
Muckspreader posted:
DTV posted:
Muckspreader posted:
dosxuk posted:
harshy posted:
I would like to see Studio E use different colour lighting schemes for its branded shows although thinking about it BBC News doesn't have any really so we are stuck with red all the time. If anyone has seen Focus on Africa BBC World News do some fantastic lighting effects in Studio B.


I don't think Studio E can change colours like C. The photos of the studio from before the launch show the panels in E to be a brownish colour, while in C they were white - basically in E red panels with white backlighting and white panels with red backlighting in C.

Probably done so that on a sunny day any external light coming into the studio won't wash out the red (obviously not a problem in C).



What all you guys don't seem to take into account is that while you're asking for camera this, and red that, and a linking shot there, and another presentation position up there, if you want all that, someone is going to have to do it, and pay for it

The staffing and the budget can just about produce what they do now. If you actually knew the massive, massive technical challenge and production effort to just stay on air, you'd stop moaning.

It's not just Mosart which is, shall we say, challenging. But also if you want that stuff done, it takes time, money, and people. The BBC is in the fortutatous position to be license funded, sure. But that doesn't mean there's a bottomless pot of money. There simply isn't.


I think you'll find we said it would be nice and would like not want. We know that the BBC is getting squeezed, what people are saying is that they have got a nice building but don't use it to it's full potential.

The BBC still employs plenty of Business presenters so it doesn't make sense to of got rid of business bulletins because there Sky News has the upper hand. As has been said it would make more sense to broadcast Business Edition instead of decamping to a horrible CGI studio, which looks like an unrendered SketchUp Model.


I'm still confused about what you want 'the building' to do?

At the end of the day, all it is is a big box with lots of tv and radio studios in it. How would, say, taking the presenter up to the 5th floor for an hour make it a more rounded programme?

To go out of the studio it's like a mini OB, and that takes people, time, planning. All of which costs money.
Cameraman: they don't just magic out of thin air.
Camera: you'll need one of those too.
Link back to the tech area: can't really do it on cables, so needs to be radiocam. Can be sorted.
Producer and backwatcher: where will they come from? Cause all the producers will be busy trying to keep content coming in.

I honestly don't think you understand what you're asking for, unless you have endless cash available. And I don't understand how it will make it a better view. All I want is to be read the news, in a straightforward and informed way.

Oh, excuse us for being interested in what you guys do. Why should we, the license payers, have any say?

Why don't you just go back to a man in a suit sitting in a box with a curtain behind?

Muckspreader posted:
I actually also think the virtual studio looks really really good. If they used that all the time, I'd have no problems.

Believe me, it certainly does not look "really really good" - if you think that, you are a very poor judge of quality television.
DK
DanielK
Can the 3D models made of the other studios not be transported into Viz and used as a virtual studio?
NG
noggin Founding member
flaziola posted:
Cando posted:

All hugely unpopular and expensive, As the ratings prove 99% of the audience just wants a quick bulletin from their news channels. Remember Sky's appointment to view schedule? The Sky report/World news with James Rubin etc Both UK news channels are mostly doing generic rolling news for a reason.


Sky do however have a Business bulletin presented especially from the Gherkin and a Lunchtime program aimed primarily at political coverage. CNN have a few Business focused programs including a main anchor program Quest Means Business.
BBC World News continue to have Business News as a key component to their output, several World Business reports and region specific programs for Asia and India. Practically none of this is made available to domestic anymore. You have to be up at 5:30 in the morning for any sort of focus on UK business news. One hour, that beloved 9pm hour where BBC News are in a fake studio and BBC World News concentrate on Business matters could do wonders to redress the balance.


I suspect one major difference between CNN/BBC World News and the BBC News Channel is sponsorship and advertising.

Business bulletins aren't particularly popular (general news, sport news and weather are far more liked by the general audience) BUT they are very good at pulling in a certain demographic that advertisers and sponsors want to hit. They therefore generate income for commercial channels, even if they aren't great for ratings, and aren't particularly popular with the audiences.

In the case of the News Channel, they increase costs (more presenters, more producers etc.) but don't pay for themselves in the same way.
WO
Worzel
Muckspreader posted:
DTV posted:
Muckspreader posted:
dosxuk posted:
harshy posted:
I would like to see Studio E use different colour lighting schemes for its branded shows although thinking about it BBC News doesn't have any really so we are stuck with red all the time. If anyone has seen Focus on Africa BBC World News do some fantastic lighting effects in Studio B.


I don't think Studio E can change colours like C. The photos of the studio from before the launch show the panels in E to be a brownish colour, while in C they were white - basically in E red panels with white backlighting and white panels with red backlighting in C.

Probably done so that on a sunny day any external light coming into the studio won't wash out the red (obviously not a problem in C).



What all you guys don't seem to take into account is that while you're asking for camera this, and red that, and a linking shot there, and another presentation position up there, if you want all that, someone is going to have to do it, and pay for it

The staffing and the budget can just about produce what they do now. If you actually knew the massive, massive technical challenge and production effort to just stay on air, you'd stop moaning.

It's not just Mosart which is, shall we say, challenging. But also if you want that stuff done, it takes time, money, and people. The BBC is in the fortutatous position to be license funded, sure. But that doesn't mean there's a bottomless pot of money. There simply isn't.


I think you'll find we said it would be nice and would like not want. We know that the BBC is getting squeezed, what people are saying is that they have got a nice building but don't use it to it's full potential.

The BBC still employs plenty of Business presenters so it doesn't make sense to of got rid of business bulletins because there Sky News has the upper hand. As has been said it would make more sense to broadcast Business Edition instead of decamping to a horrible CGI studio, which looks like an unrendered SketchUp Model.


I'm still confused about what you want 'the building' to do?

At the end of the day, all it is is a big box with lots of tv and radio studios in it. How would, say, taking the presenter up to the 5th floor for an hour make it a more rounded programme?

To go out of the studio it's like a mini OB, and that takes people, time, planning. All of which costs money.
Cameraman: they don't just magic out of thin air.
Camera: you'll need one of those too.
Link back to the tech area: can't really do it on cables, so needs to be radiocam. Can be sorted.
Producer and backwatcher: where will they come from? Cause all the producers will be busy trying to keep content coming in.

I honestly don't think you understand what you're asking for, unless you have endless cash available. And I don't understand how it will make it a better view. All I want is to be read the news, in a straightforward and informed way.


I actually also think the virtual studio looks really really good. If they used that all the time, I'd have no problems.


It was mentioned (if I remember rightly) that the News channel would go out into the newsroom from time to time for bits and pieces. I'm pretty sure the NC controller mentioned that during a Newswatch piece a week before the channel moved. So far it's only happened during the first two days of the move. Day one with Nick Higham showing us around and on day two when Matthew Amroliwala went out into the newsroom to show where the viewer emails/texts/tweets come in and spoke to one of the editors on duty about viewer reactions to stories.

The latter was absolutely fantastic as it connected the viewers with the stories and showed great interaction all round.

Overall I think the channel (apart from the technical camera gremlins and odd graphics fail) looks much better on screen than when it was in N6.

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