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Why are the BBC moving their News out of Television Centre?

(August 2006)

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brotherton sands
Inspector Sands posted:
Even after news and the manchester bound parts leave there's still quite a bit of BBC left in the area that can move in, maybe ditch the White City building(s) and concentrate everything at TV centre


Shocked

Isn't that a bit backwards?

Wasn't BBC White City only built in the 1990s or something, whereas "BBC Shepherd's Bush" (a.k.a. TVC) is many decades old?

Surely if any BBC building in London is for the chop, it'll be Shepherd's Bush?

I actually thought that was the whole idea - i.e move everything to White City/Broadcasting House/Manchester/wherever else, so as to get rid of TVC?

Given the age of TVC, it must be crumbling/asbestos-ridden (or something else) by now?

By the way, I've heard of something called "BBC Portland Place" - is that one-and-the-same-thing as "Broadcasting House" (in the same ways that "BBC Shepherd's Bush" and "Television Centre" are)?????

EDIT: Yes, I know that BH is even older than TVC, but wasn't TVC built in something like the 1950s - therefore architecturally "crap" (e.g. asbestos or other such issues). A lot of far older buildings in Britain (e.g. Victorian ones, etc) are often a lot more long-lasting/structurally sound/etc,etc than more modern buildings.
PE
Pete Founding member
white city is an ugly lump though. apparently it's not nice to work in
SI
simpfeld
Is the new broadcasting house setup for news going to be HD or HD ready? I'd imagine that would be a requirement within it's lifetime. Or a later very messy upgrade?
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brotherton sands
Hymagumba posted:
white city is an ugly lump though. apparently it's not nice to work in


I'm not familiar with what it looks like.

Personally I find the TVC style of architecture to be amongst the most ugly in British building history. I can't image that BBC White City is as bad/any worse than TVC to look at?
TR
TROGGLES
The BBC still actually own TVC if you ignore the complicated maintenance deal with LST which has been 'renegotiated' at an estimated cost of a £20million payoff (that was the last figure I heard) If you remember a while back the light bulb saga when it took 3 different contractors and three months to replace the neon light in the 'i' of television Centre sign. All because no one is sure who is responsible for what.
As far as I know white city, the media centre et. al. are a complicated lease back deal - the BBC seem to love those.
Broadcasting House / Portland place is partly owned by the BBC bits of it are leased and bits of the new building will be leased but some of the land it is built on is owned outright. The whole thing is run by a private equity company which means the licence fee payer will be paying for it for 50 years- it get worse
The proposals for BBC Manchester is that a private equity company build the place with the BBC as guarantor. The BBC use it paying rent for everything, studios, office space etc. Granada would also move in here to use the studios enabling them to get out of Quay Street (apart from the corrie set and the warehouse building.
White City is an ugly box of a building and not at all nice to work in. If you want to see what it looks like its the building shown as the backdrop behind Andrew Marr on sunday.
TVC is a very good building for producing television as that is what it was designed for - and not just an existing square box that you have to fit everything in.
IS
Inspector Sands
Work of Artifice posted:

Isn't that a bit backwards?

Wasn't BBC White City only built in the 1990s or something, whereas "BBC Shepherd's Bush" (a.k.a. TVC) is many decades old?

Surely if any BBC building in London is for the chop, it'll be Shepherd's Bush?


No, because there are studios at TV Centre. The buildings at White CIty, could easily be discarded and let out to other firms. The Media and Broadcast Centres next door to the original White City building were built with that aim and of course one of them is already taken by a seperate company called Red Bee.

TVC isn't the best of building in terms of office conditions, but as long as the BBC want studios then it willl survive.
IS
Inspector Sands
simpfeld posted:
Is the new broadcasting house setup for news going to be HD or HD ready? I'd imagine that would be a requirement within it's lifetime. Or a later very messy upgrade?


I'd have thought so, but considering that work on it hasn't started yet and the technical fit out is at least 4 years away, it's very likely
IS
Inspector Sands
Work of Artifice posted:
Hymagumba posted:
white city is an ugly lump though. apparently it's not nice to work in


I'm not familiar with what it looks like.

Personally I find the TVC style of architecture to be amongst the most ugly in British building history. I can't image that BBC White City is as bad/any worse than TVC to look at?


TVC is an iconic building that is unique in terms of architectual style and funtionality. It is much loved by staff and the public

The original White City building is an awful bland white box that no-one really ever liked. The new Media ad Broadcast Centres next door are a bit better, but still not perfect... although one of them isn't occupied by the BBC any more.

There are other BBC buildings nearby that are worse - Centre House and Victoria Road for example. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they disposed of Marylebone High Street and moved everything there to TVC or BH once the project was finished
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Seb
Inspector Sands posted:
I wouldn't be surprised if they disposed of Marylebone High Street and moved everything there to TVC or BH once the project was finished


That is the home of BBC London is it not?
MA
marksi
Inspector Sands posted:
Work of Artifice posted:
Hymagumba posted:
white city is an ugly lump though. apparently it's not nice to work in


I'm not familiar with what it looks like.

Personally I find the TVC style of architecture to be amongst the most ugly in British building history. I can't image that BBC White City is as bad/any worse than TVC to look at?


TVC is an iconic building that is unique in terms of architectual style and funtionality. It is much loved by staff and the public

The original White City building is an awful bland white box that no-one really ever liked. The new Media ad Broadcast Centres next door are a bit better, but still not perfect... although one of them isn't occupied by the BBC any more.

There are other BBC buildings nearby that are worse - Centre House and Victoria Road for example. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they disposed of Marylebone High Street and moved everything there to TVC or BH once the project was finished


No matter how many times I do it I still get a buzz walking through the doors at TV Centre (though admittedly I mean the bit that's called Stage Door these days!). Does that happen at the Broadcast Centre, Media Centre or White City? No.
CD
cdukjunkie
alarsne53 posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
I wouldn't be surprised if they disposed of Marylebone High Street and moved everything there to TVC or BH once the project was finished


That is the home of BBC London is it not?


I believe so...
IS
Inspector Sands
alarsne53 posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
I wouldn't be surprised if they disposed of Marylebone High Street and moved everything there to TVC or BH once the project was finished


That is the home of BBC London is it not?


Yes, and the BBC Govenors (or whatever they are now) are based there too. I'd have though all the small isolated BBC premises like that in London will be got rid of eventually. It's also in a very expensive part of town, no idea if the beeb own it, but if they do it'll be worth a bit

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