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BBC Local TV

launches Dec 1st (November 2005)

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UB
Uncle Bruce
StuartPlymouth posted:


That's not really a justified statement when you base it on viewing figures. The general public have little else to watch if they were already watching BBC1 at 6.30pm, when most people will be sitting down to their evening meal.



So what? If the punters don't like it, they'll turn it off.

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Mmmm....I see why BBC1 regional news has a large audience, but it doesn't really have anything to do with quality of regional content, or the desperate need for the BBC to waste alot of money providing "ultra-local" news.


Waste in your view - all of the research done so far (and the BBC has done LOADS) has seen a high approval rating for the concept of local TV

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If I wanted to know what was happening on an even more local basis I would ...

........either way, the information is not broadcast-worthy material, or worthy of my licence fee! Evil or Very Mad


IN YOUR OPINION. Can't you accept that people in the future might want to get their local information from other sources?
UB
Uncle Bruce
Dunedin posted:


They're selling it as "community broadcasting".

Boll0cks, unless you consider "Birmingham" or "<insert your city name with potentially millions of residents here>" your community.


Some do. I consider Bristol my local community, thanks.

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I believe there was a report a few years ago on ultralocal TV that suggested something like 250 broadcast zones for the UK...this makes sense as it equates to approximately 1 zone per 2 parliamentary constituents. Still quite big, but not city big.



So then surely almost 40 broadcast zones is heading in the right direction???

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The BBC release only serves to highlight two things:

1) Regional TV (the status quo) doesn't meet the demands of viewers- that's their words not mine.

2) True ultralocal TV is currently too expensive to deliver.

I agree on both points.



It may well be too expensive - but at least someone is trying to do this. As ITV pulls out of the regions - and let's face it, they are big time - surely the BBC should, as a public service broadcaster, be filling in those gaps. Over the past year ITV has got more and more national, and shrunk its regional output down to a complete minimum.

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Where I don't agree is that they should try and pretend they're delivering something that they're not. We haven't yet got the infrastructure to deliver true ultralocal TV cheaply enough.

When we do, regional TV news is dead.


I don't see any problem. Perhaps in years to come it'll boil down to those 250 areas, but in the meantime this is a start!!!
IS
Inspector Sands
if you look at page 1700 of BBCi on Sky you'll see a little preview.
IS
Isonstine Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
if you look at page 1700 of BBCi on Sky you'll see a little preview.


It's also on the BBCi bar that comes up when you press red - looks rather impressive and nice to see it's supported with text stories. EVEN MORE impressed to see a Nuneaton story leads the Coventry and Warwickshire section.
AN
all new Phil
Isonstine posted:
EVEN MORE impressed to see a Nuneaton story leads the Coventry and Warwickshire section.

Well I'm not surprised, what with it being crime capital of the UK and all that Wink
IS
Isonstine Founding member
all new Phil posted:
Isonstine posted:
EVEN MORE impressed to see a Nuneaton story leads the Coventry and Warwickshire section.

Well I'm not surprised, what with it being crime capital of the UK and all that Wink


Don't you know it! It's rumoured it's the epicentre of innovation after Lizardy Levy's end of the pier show.
GC
GaryC
[quote="Uncle Bruce"] Over the past year ITV has got more and more national, and shrunk its regional output down to a complete minimum.
[quote]

I'm glad you agree that providing a 30 min news show, breakfast, mid morning, lunch and late evening news, weekend news and sport at lunch and evening; a politics show, regional sport, current affairs/local affairs and entertainment series are a complete minimum.

So how do you feel about a service that costs 4.2 times as much to run, operates a lower frequency news service, no local sport magazine and an hour less a week of regional programming??

What's below a complete minimum for you??

What if you consider, say the south west, where that provider (costing 4.2 times more ) offers just '1 and a quarter's services (bbc sw & bbc ci opt) compared to TWO itv companies providing, local news, features and plus 4 opts for devon and cornwall. Or North East & Borders, with TWO itv companies providing the service of 1 bbc region.

Local TV is a great Idea, but could it have been done for far less money, with less waste and management if the licence fee was split off given to another non-for-profit body to create and run the service??
UB
Uncle Bruce
GaryC posted:


I'm glad you agree that providing a 30 min news show, breakfast, mid morning, lunch and late evening news, weekend news and sport at lunch and evening; a politics show, regional sport, current affairs/local affairs and entertainment series are a complete minimum.

So how do you feel about a service that costs 4.2 times as much to run, operates a lower frequency news service, no local sport magazine and an hour less a week of regional programming??


It's a minimum of their licence requirement and less than was originally agreed when they were first awarded those licences. In fact, they've been allowed to shrink down some of their output through a recent Ofcom request to about 3.5hrs per week.

I'm not debating why ITV are pulling out of regional telly - that's entirely up to them. In fact, if it is making them a loss and they don't want to do it, which I entirely understand, there's even more of an argument for the BBC to pick this up.
BA
Bail Moderator
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BBC Local Television is an exciting new service launching December 1st, offering you the very best local news stories, entertainment, travel and weather from around the West Midlands.


It's the first, it's not there. Shame on you BBC.
NG
noggin Founding member
Bail posted:
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BBC Local Television is an exciting new service launching December 1st, offering you the very best local news stories, entertainment, travel and weather from around the West Midlands.


It's the first, it's not there. Shame on you BBC.


Did they say what TIME on Dec 1st it would appear... I'd wait until Dec 1st is over before making comments like that. Not everything has to launch at midnight.

The preview has been there for a day or two on page 1700, or from the BBCi front page on BBC One West Midlands (949 if you are out of region)

Did seem to be the wrong shape though.
GC
GaryC
The point is, could this be done cheaper and better outside the BBC. You have to put aside the bbc or itv debate, and ask is it not time for a new tier of broadcasting?

what are the plans after the midlands? Will they follow the Where I [dont] live sites?

In Devon that will be one service for an area ITV provide three??

What about BBC West? Not targeting this at the content producers, but the local WIL sites are a mess... the geography does not work.

Bath, (8 miles from bristol, distinctive city, economically looks to bristol, West Wilts and London gets news from rural somerset!

North Somerset (2.5 miles from BBC Bristol Studios) gets its news from rural somerset. I cant work out where (what was) wansdyke gets its news??

The point is, even the internet sites widly miss their editorial mark, and relevence. What hope 'Local' TV would not be the same??

I assume that this pattern of coverage is common accross the UK, dictated by Policy rather than what makes sence to the staff on the ground?
RD
RDJ
noggin posted:
Bail posted:
Quote:
BBC Local Television is an exciting new service launching December 1st, offering you the very best local news stories, entertainment, travel and weather from around the West Midlands.


It's the first, it's not there. Shame on you BBC.


Did they say what TIME on Dec 1st it would appear... I'd wait until Dec 1st is over before making comments like that. Not everything has to launch at midnight.


Correct, Which is why it is launching later at 5pm.

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