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BBC Local Radio on Medium Wave

(December 2004)

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DA
DAS Founding member
Interesting to hear the number of stations without MW frequences... BBC Essex has two FM and three local MW frequencies. If I remember correctly (no guarantees there), they only had to rejig their FM to give it up for Essex FM (or Essex Radio as was then).

I know Radio Devon's got a whole stash of FM and MW frequencies. It's because they are greedy people.
RW
Robert Williams Founding member
All of the stations launched from 1990 onwards - CWR, Radio Suffolk, Radio Surrey, Radio Berkshire and Dorset FM - were FM only; then around 1992-93 a few of the other stations lost one or all of their MW frequencies in order that, as mentioned, they could be re-allocated to commerical stations. From memory they included Oxford, Gloucestershire, Northampton, Cleveland, GLR and GMR and a little later on, Kent. I think the BBC were only allowed to hang on to Radio WM's MW frequency by putting the Asian Network on it.
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Adam
Radio Newcastle use 95.4-96fm and 1458am seperately -

if Newcastle OR Sunderland are playing it's Football on FM and Music on AM.
if Newcastle AND Sunderland are playing it's Newcastle on FM and Sunderland on AM.

Both frequencies have been unchanged for a very long time to my knowledge.
IS
Inspector Sands
Adam posted:
Radio Newcastle use 95.4-96fm and 1458am seperately -

if Newcastle OR Sunderland are playing it's Football on FM and Music on AM.
if Newcastle AND Sunderland are playing it's Newcastle on FM and Sunderland on AM.


Some stations are now doing this with DAB, BBC London for instance often has a football match on DAB and alternative programmes or another match on FM
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Adam
Inspector Sands posted:
Adam posted:
Radio Newcastle use 95.4-96fm and 1458am seperately -

if Newcastle OR Sunderland are playing it's Football on FM and Music on AM.
if Newcastle AND Sunderland are playing it's Newcastle on FM and Sunderland on AM.


Some stations are now doing this with DAB, BBC London for instance often has a football match on DAB and alternative programmes or another match on FM


Yeah, Radio Newcastle's AM frequency and DAB streams have exactly the same output. The football is almost always stuck on FM though, probably because anything else they broadcast on a weekend afternoon is utter shìte.
PE
Pete Founding member
Adam posted:
The football is almost always stuck on FM though, probably because anything else they broadcast on a weekend afternoon is utter shìte.


there is a redundant "weekend afternoon" in that sentence.
SP
Spencer
Uncle Bruce posted:
Admittedly 1413 is pretty strong, though.


Now I come to think about it, I'm sure 1413 is broadcast on two transmitters - one in the Forest Of Dean, and the other somewhere in the Cotswolds which would probably explain the improvement.
CO
Colm
BBC Radio Ulster has FM (92-95FM) and MW (1341Khz) services with regular splits - during school terms at 11.00am on some weekdays, can't remember which, the FM service continues with the wonderful Gerry Anderson while the MW service opts out for local schools programmes.

And during the GAA season, live coverage of matches involving Ulster teams runs on the MW service while Walter Love etc. remain on the FM service. Typical, anti-Catholic discrimination goes on at Broadcasting House Wink
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member
Spencer For Hire posted:
I'm sure 1413 is broadcast on two transmitters - one in the Forest Of Dean, and the other somewhere in the Cotswolds

Correct. Berkeley Heath and Bourton-on-the-Water to be precise. Both are half a kilowatt.

I shouldn't have read your post. Can't get the old jingle out of my head now. "From the Cotswolds to the Forest of Dean, this is Severn Sound, your sound, in Gloucestershire."
NS
NickyS Founding member
DAS posted:


I know Radio Devon's got a whole stash of FM and MW frequencies. It's because they are greedy people.

Not really - it's because there are so many hills in the way in Devon. Having been a presenter on Radio Devon it took a lot to remember all the frequencies - there were 8 in those days, think it's 9 or 10 now. The funny one was always the Okehampton relay! Devon was also the first station to operate a split ident system so they could ident the four FM and four MW transmitters separately and promote things like Children In Need events to the right areas. Do remember one woman asking at an event why we kept telling her she was listening in Plymouth and West Devon when she lived in Torbay - she was tuned to the wrong transmitter!
WE
Westy2
tvmercia posted:
as stated above, wm and leicester use their mw for asian network

i'll bow to mr bbc midlands radio (aka westy)'s knowledge on this - but i think wm split off their blackcountry frequencies for certain programmes?


Well thank you kind sir.

As far as I know it was/now/will be the following(but someone please correct me!) :

BBC Radio Birmingham, from November 1970, broadcast on VHF only, until sometime in 1972, when they added medium wave to the mix, & reached more listeners!(ISTR from the 30 year shindig, that they also broadcast on a cable network in Castle Vale too!).

1982, Radio Birmingham, renamed BBC Radio WM, though, I gather, 'Radio 206' was used for a time too.

Sometime during the 80's, 'WM Heartlands' was broadcast on 1458 khz / 206m medium wave, & (if someone from WCR can confirm this!), their 1 hour a week on Fridays started on 828 khz / 362 m medium wave as well.

1990, BBC CWR started, but in 1996, was merged into BBC Radio WM, with most programing from Brum, but separate brekky & afternoon shows retained from Coventry. (Sports coverage split at certain times too!)(Polish programme also retained too!)

199? - MW frequencies given up to a 'full time'' Asian Network !

DAB introduced in 200?. Now able to split the following :

FM - 95.6, for West Midlands brekky, news & sport, plus Sunday evening WCR programme.

FM 94.8, 103.7 & 104 - For CWR brekky, news & sport, plus Sunday evening Polish programme.

DAB - Coventry, as CWR FM service AFAIK(Can't get either!)

DAB - Birmingham, as 95.6 fm, apart from Saturday sport, when Birmingham City is normally featured on DAB, when Albion/Villa get FM ! (Walsall either get midweek, or Walsall FC internet site instead!(I think)

DAB - Wolverhampton, as 95.6fm, apart from Saturday sport, when Wolves gets featured on DAB.

(WCR normally gets broadcast on 95.fm, & both Wolves & Brum DABs, apart from when WCR are allowed to do a weekend of programing, from the Wolverhampton City Show!)

Sometime in 2005, CWR FM & DAB become a full time service again!

Other BBC Midlands stations still on MW : Stoke on 1503 khz / 200 m MW(I think their split is Sport on FM, & Asian on MW(Again I'm out of the area!)). Hereford & Worcester on 738 khz, & gained 1584 khz from Shropshire, in the last couple of years, when Shropshire got additional FM frequencies in the Ludlow area.
SP
Spencer
NickyS posted:
Not really - it's because there are so many hills in the way in Devon. Having been a presenter on Radio Devon it took a lot to remember all the frequencies - there were 8 in those days, think it's 9 or 10 now. The funny one was always the Okehampton relay! Devon was also the first station to operate a split ident system so they could ident the four FM and four MW transmitters separately and promote things like Children In Need events to the right areas. Do remember one woman asking at an event why we kept telling her she was listening in Plymouth and West Devon when she lived in Torbay - she was tuned to the wrong transmitter!


Radio Leeds is another station with a huge number of different frequencies. I remember Peter Levy once (and not as a joke) saying "You're listening to BBC Radio Leeds on 92.4 to 103.9 FM". Laughing

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