I couldn't find anywhere else to put this. I came across it quite randomly while perusing YouTube (as pres geeks do), and it's from the Transdiffusion archive.
The BBC2 ident is familiar 26 years later, but
Breakfast News
was oddly on BBC2 for 15 minutes that day, it was Tuesday 10 December 1991.
Didn't it used to be on for 15 minutes every day at 8am with signing?
Yes it did.
The 15 minute simulacst of Breakfast News with signing began on Wednesday 22nd November 1989, the day after live televisual broadcasting of Parliament began, and the same day that "Westminster", a daily review of Parliament's proceedings, began on BBC2, following Breakfast News at 8.15am.
Nowadays BBC News Channel does signing for the simulcasts of Breakfast from 7am to 7.27am (if memory serves) and the BBC News at One.
Some interesting detail from deejay and noggin in this old thread about how the signed version was pre-recorded rather than being a straight simulcast with added BSL interpreter.
Does anyone have any insight in how to this was produced? It’s quite a feat. All I can think of is every site was uplinked using the same exact kit and encoder profiles. Would that make the satellite delay consistent amongst all six sites? They’d be on th same talkback channel and cued at the same time. I imagine if the director noticed one choir getting ahead of the others they would cut to another shot.
🎶 We did it!🎶 The Big Singalong of ‘O Come, All Ye Faithful’ with 6 choirs across the UK. The benefits of singing for your health are great, so feel free to sing along! #BBCSingpic.twitter.com/Ncr1REUcvb
Some interesting detail from deejay and noggin in this old thread about how the signed version was pre-recorded rather than being a straight simulcast with added BSL interpreter.
Could the example posted be a morning when the recording failed and the standby was just too simulcast for a bit?
That was See Hear Breakfast News, which aired at about 7.15 or 7.20 after recording the 7.00 quarter hour. During the 96 Olympics when Breakfast News was moved to BBC2, That was the last five minutes of the programme at 9.00, and after the Olympics it went to being live at 7am, until it finished in April 1998. Prior to that, it was a Breakfast News simulcast at 8am, rather than what it became later. It only changed cos Westminster (the programme) finished and they replaced most of the early output with CBBC.
No regional news on Breakfast this morning. Rather odd given it’s a working day ( albeit not many folk working of course)
Was it single headed and still full of weekend style back half hours?
This is the first year that the 27th has been a normal working day for quite a number of years (rather than being a bank holiday lieu day or a weekend) so the broadcasters have decided to only go into it a bit half heartedly, with a reduced breakfast service on the BBC and no GMB at all on ITV.
Does anyone have any insight in how to this was produced? It’s quite a feat.
Yes- it's been a BBC party piece since the mid-90s at least! Most years Children In Need do a song where every regional OB takes part for a line (which can be upwards of 10 - even 15 or more injects). Some are on close to zero-delay circuits, some are on circuits with 3 or 4" of round-trip delay.
Examples :
1996
(A few regions didn't hold their shots at the end of their sequences back then - but it was still quite new I think)
2014
(And some regions have more resources than others for their OBs/Studios...)
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All I can think of is every site was uplinked using the same exact kit and encoder profiles. Would that make the satellite delay consistent amongst all six sites? They’d be on th same talkback channel and cued at the same time. I imagine if the director noticed one choir getting ahead of the others they would cut to another shot.
🎶 We did it!🎶 The Big Singalong of ‘O Come, All Ye Faithful’ with 6 choirs across the UK. The benefits of singing for your health are great, so feel free to sing along! #BBCSingpic.twitter.com/Ncr1REUcvb
You don't have to have the same delay from every OB, you just have to ensure that every OB arrives back in sync.
To do this you just send each OB a clean-feed (IFB or Mix-Minus for those in the US) containing a pre-delayed (or advanced depending on how yo look at things) backing track (or click track if it is an a cappella number) which is delayed by the right amount so that it means that the OB hears the music and starts early enough to compensate for the delay in the round trip back to you.
The longer the delay on the a particular OB's circuit, the earlier you send the backing track/click track to that OB. If you have 5 OBs - then you have 5 different pre-delayed backing tracks playing simultaneously from a multi-track audio replay device. You agree which shots will come from which OB, and ensure any shot changes are well away from the OB transition points. During rehearsal you will measure the round-trip delays
It either requires the director to back-time the start of the track so that it reaches the most delayed OB such that that OB output arrives back in London when the presenters stop talking and hand to the item, (This could be 5" early), or you put the most delayed OB later in the sequence and their backing track starts 5" into the song . (There are two ways of doing it)
Last edited by noggin on 27 December 2017 11:26am - 3 times in total
. (There are two ways of doing it)