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BA
Bail Moderator
Stuart posted:
Markymark posted:
You consider it acceptable to be unable to see anything properly on the screen for almost two minutes ?

No, obviously not, under normal circumstances.


Perhaps wrongly, I just assumed that it wasn't something that could be solved by simply wiping the lens, as I've seen them do when rain has obscured the picture in the past.

Is there any way that it was misted up 'internally', because of the rapid temperature change? By that, I mean that the back of the lens was affected. I'm not au fait with the technical specifications of broadcast standard cameras.

Yes very much possible, and most probably, the front element probably WAS clear but it had condensation internally. This shouldn't happen, but most ENG lenses kicking around these days have aged so a rapid temperature change such as the one here will very much cause any minute level of moisture within the optics of the lens to rapidly fog. Very little you can do other than let the lens slowly warm up to temperature.
DE
deejay
Sounds like a pretty extreme contrast in temperatures and, presumably, humidity between the outside and the monkey enclosure. I'd like to think this was flagged up by the operators ahead of the live hit. If the camera had been stored in the car or truck overnight, that probably wouldn't have helped either. It was by far the worst lens fogging incident I've ever seen.
LL
London Lite Founding member
I love how we get annoyed about steamed up cameras on an OB, while The Sun noticed something else.



BR
Brekkie
Thankfully the members here have more maturity than an average Sun journalist.
Justin, Stuart and London Lite gave kudos
BA
bilky asko
Markymark posted:
bilky asko posted:


Unless it steamed up internally.


Where would the moisture ingress occur then ? It's a reasonably tight seal where the lens mates with the camera body.

It's simply not acceptable to have 90 to 120 seconds of the programme transmitted like that


The very neat circle of condensation in the centre of the image suggested to me (a person who isn't an expert in these matters) that it was something internal.
MA
Markymark
bilky asko posted:
Markymark posted:
bilky asko posted:


Unless it steamed up internally.


Where would the moisture ingress occur then ? It's a reasonably tight seal where the lens mates with the camera body.

It's simply not acceptable to have 90 to 120 seconds of the programme transmitted like that


The very neat circle of condensation in the centre of the image suggested to me (a person who isn't an expert in these matters) that it was something internal.


I must admit, I've come into contact with loads of ENG lenses in my time, and I've never encountered that effect. However, they've always been brand new, out of the box from the factory, so I'm sure Bail's assessment is very valid.

That said though, the whole matter should have been taken as equipment failure, and the OB pulled, especially as the issue reportedly started to show up 30 mins earlier
RK
Rkolsen
Markymark posted:
bilky asko posted:
Markymark posted:

Where would the moisture ingress occur then ? It's a reasonably tight seal where the lens mates with the camera body.

It's simply not acceptable to have 90 to 120 seconds of the programme transmitted like that


The very neat circle of condensation in the centre of the image suggested to me (a person who isn't an expert in these matters) that it was something internal.


I must admit, I've come into contact with loads of ENG lenses in my time, and I've never encountered that effect. However, they've always been brand new, out of the box from the factory, so I'm sure Bail's assessment is very valid.

That said though, the whole matter should have been taken as equipment failure, and the OB pulled, especially as the issue reportedly started to show up 30 mins earlier


I'm confused was the most there at 6:25 and then increased?

Could this be caused by the connection being not secured properly? What type of equipment do they use for eng?
IS
Inspector Sands
Brekkie posted:
Thankfully the members here have more maturity than an average Sun journalist.

.... or are just too immature to recognise a ladies private parts! Laughing
MA
Markymark
Rkolsen posted:
Markymark posted:
bilky asko posted:

The very neat circle of condensation in the centre of the image suggested to me (a person who isn't an expert in these matters) that it was something internal.


I must admit, I've come into contact with loads of ENG lenses in my time, and I've never encountered that effect. However, they've always been brand new, out of the box from the factory, so I'm sure Bail's assessment is very valid.

That said though, the whole matter should have been taken as equipment failure, and the OB pulled, especially as the issue reportedly started to show up 30 mins earlier


I'm confused was the most there at 6:25 and then increased?

Could this be caused by the connection being not secured properly? What type of equipment do they use for eng?


It's to unlikely to have been anything to do with the camera itself, it'll be the lens, something similar
to this, with moisture trapped inside between one or more of the glass elements

http://www.canon.co.uk/broadcast/eng-efp-pro/hj18ex7.6b/

(Other lens manufacturers are available)

8 days later

MO
Moz
Daily Telegraph posted:


Producers say woman on left looks wrong!

Ahem...

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/corporate2/images/width/live/p0/16/dj/p016dj9l.jpg/624

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CI
cityprod
Okay, two big problems with that story.

1: Who the hell thinks the person seated left is the "senior" anchor on any dual anchored programme? Such an idea is palpable nonsense, the same kind of nonsense that says Barack Obama was born in Kenya and not in Hawaii, where he was actually born. But strangely, it seems to hang around, just like the 'birther' nonsense.

2: I'd treat that story with a warehouse full of salt, the same kind of warehouse that they use to store the thousands of tonnes of rock salt they use to grit the roads. I wouldn't trust much from the Tory press anyway, and when it comes to the BBC, I trust their coverage even less.
RK
Rkolsen
cityprod posted:
Okay, two big problems with that story.

1: Who the hell thinks the person seated left is the "senior" anchor on any dual anchored programme? Such an idea is palpable nonsense, the same kind of nonsense that says Barack Obama was born in Kenya and not in Hawaii, where he was actually born. But strangely, it seems to hang around, just like the 'birther' nonsense.


It is nonsense but you made me think that three out of the four local news stations in Baltimore all the anchors who've been on the newscast/station longest are on the left hand side. The other station has all the anchors who've been there the longest on the right hand side.

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