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From 6am (April 2012)

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MD
mdtauk
deejay posted:
I think the low ceilings are simply because this is converted office space and wasn't originally designed for a "studio". Done thoughtfully, converted office space can work well (The One Show is an example of a programme that looks extremely good considering it's not made in a space which was originally designed to house television production) AIUI, The One Show got their hands on the area early in the conversion process and so were able to keep the grid height as high as possible, put air con ducts in places that wouldn't hamper later rigging of lamps et al and install flexible cable runs for power and control.

That said, the shots I recall seeing of the area on the ground floor that was originally to be used, didn't look much higher.


I still have a soft spot for when BBC LDN launched in Marylebone.

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CH
chris
I think that looks awful. It's just a corridor. It was certainly improved when they got the breakfast bar.
MD
mdtauk
chris posted:
I think that looks awful. It's just a corridor. It was certainly improved when they got the breakfast bar.


The lower area was much nicer than the top. Felt more suited to London lifestyle.
JA
Jamesypoo
Moz posted:
Jamesypoo posted:
Do you expect them to take the clock off every time they play the sting

Yes. The News Channel does..


The news channel doesn't play a visual sting at .15 and .45 though like Breakfast. The news channel also takes off the clock for the weather, do you want Breakfast to do that too just because the news channel does?
VM
VMPhil
Jamesypoo posted:
Moz posted:
Jamesypoo posted:
Do you expect them to take the clock off every time they play the sting

Yes. The News Channel does..


The news channel doesn't play a visual sting at .15 and .45 though like Breakfast. The news channel also takes off the clock for the weather, do you want Breakfast to do that too just because the news channel does?


It would provide a bit of consistency, so yes. However they only do that because it obscures the graphics on CSO.
RO
roo
mdtauk posted:
chris posted:
I think that looks awful. It's just a corridor. It was certainly improved when they got the breakfast bar.


The lower area was much nicer than the top. Felt more suited to London lifestyle.


I don't think I understand this. Is sitting in chairs an example of London decadence?
JA
Jamesypoo
VirginMediaPhil posted:
Jamesypoo posted:
Moz posted:
Jamesypoo posted:
Do you expect them to take the clock off every time they play the sting

Yes. The News Channel does..


The news channel doesn't play a visual sting at .15 and .45 though like Breakfast. The news channel also takes off the clock for the weather, do you want Breakfast to do that too just because the news channel does?


It would provide a bit of consistency, so yes. However they only do that because it obscures the graphics on CSO.


No. The ticker covers up part of the weather graphics, not the clock.

I really don't understand where people are coming from with the "news channel do it so Breakfast should, too". It's nonsense. The only time the clock isn't shown during Breakfast is when they air the odd trailer at .59 - I don't know why people would want to inconvenience people by taking away the clock during the quarter hour stings and weather updates. Look how much uproar was caused when people couldn't see the N24 clock back in 2007.
MD
mdtauk
Barney Boo posted:
mdtauk posted:
chris posted:
I think that looks awful. It's just a corridor. It was certainly improved when they got the breakfast bar.


The lower area was much nicer than the top. Felt more suited to London lifestyle.


I don't think I understand this. Is sitting in chairs an example of London decadence?


It puts me in mind of a stylish hotel lounge.

Also for a bit of fun. With the similarities between the 1999 and 2008 BBC News looks, what if we mixed them up a bit...

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MB
Media Boy
kitt22 posted:
Moz posted:
Jamesypoo posted:
Do you expect them to take the clock off every time they play the sting

Yes. The News Channel does.

kitt22 posted:
...the DG suggested having NWT overlooking such a public space was not wise...

...The Breakfast editorial team/ studio designers overruled NWT and insisted blacking out the windows and installing an artificial backdrop...

Bad decisions anyone? Really bad decisions? I think so.

Luckily the DG is on his way out. The Breakfast team should follow him.


In their defence, while I think a real backdrop would have been far better for NWT, I think Breakfast would have had the same 'dark mornings' problem Daybreak had?

But I think moving to the first floor was an error, the ceiling is too low!


I'm not sure the big space was ever planed for NWT - as as far as I know it was always going to be the space for BBC Sport...

Its true that the real backdrop was planned for NWT - but due to sunrise almost directly behind the set- they would have had problems in the morning - the same problems as Breakfast would have had.

To this end when Breakfast was first told that they were going the plan was to utilise the 'real' look - and they tried with auto polarizing filters on the cameras (similar to whats used in the BBC Persian service that look out onto Regents Street) but it just proved to costly and not effective enough to cope with all weather conditions - so it was then decided that NWT and Breakfast would use screens.

We had very similar issues when Marr came from the 5th floor - in the same corner of the building - for the Conservative Conference. Sun rose directly in front of us - so after covering the windows in polarizing filters to help - we then had that horrible call about 30 mins before the programme - to rip it all down as the sun wasn't out - it's Manchester after all!!!! Needless to say we spend the entire programme praying for cloud! Smile
BA
Bail Moderator
mdtauk posted:
Also for a bit of fun. With the similarities between the 1999 and 2008 BBC News looks, what if we mixed them up a bit...

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I rather like the white world one, looks surprisingly fresh. The cream currents, not so much Razz
MO
Moz
kitt22 posted:
Moz posted:
Jamesypoo posted:
Do you expect them to take the clock off every time they play the sting

Yes. The News Channel does.

kitt22 posted:
...the DG suggested having NWT overlooking such a public space was not wise...

...The Breakfast editorial team/ studio designers overruled NWT and insisted blacking out the windows and installing an artificial backdrop...

Bad decisions anyone? Really bad decisions? I think so.

Luckily the DG is on his way out. The Breakfast team should follow him.


In their defence, while I think a real backdrop would have been far better for NWT, I think Breakfast would have had the same 'dark mornings' problem Daybreak had?

But I think moving to the first floor was an error, the ceiling is too low!

If they had a view out onto the plaza, surely that would/could be lit up sufficiently to make an agreeable background. Think the One Show - that looks great in the dark.
KI
kitt22
Moz posted:
kitt22 posted:
Moz posted:
Jamesypoo posted:
Do you expect them to take the clock off every time they play the sting

Yes. The News Channel does.

kitt22 posted:
...the DG suggested having NWT overlooking such a public space was not wise...

...The Breakfast editorial team/ studio designers overruled NWT and insisted blacking out the windows and installing an artificial backdrop...

Bad decisions anyone? Really bad decisions? I think so.

Luckily the DG is on his way out. The Breakfast team should follow him.


In their defence, while I think a real backdrop would have been far better for NWT, I think Breakfast would have had the same 'dark mornings' problem Daybreak had?

But I think moving to the first floor was an error, the ceiling is too low!

If they had a view out onto the plaza, surely that would/could be lit up sufficiently to make an agreeable background. Think the One Show - that looks great in the dark.


Yeah it might have worked but difference is that a dark One Show background might be ok at 7pm but not wry inviting early in the morning for Breakfast?

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