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(March 2009)

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[quote="Stuart" pid="671137"]
I think some others have suggested that the move from Liverpool to London for This Morning was as much to do with Richard and Judy's desire to base themselves there, as it was for getting more guests.
Supposedly Richard's desire, not so much Judy's - no idea if it's true though.
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Stuart
I think some others have suggested that the move from Liverpool to London for This Morning was as much to do with Richard and Judy's desire to base themselves there, as it was for getting more guests.

What others? Where? I have never heard this - and the move was widely discussed on this forum at the time.

You just made that up.

I can assure you I didn't imagine it, or make it up as you allege.

It recall it being mentioned during the last few days, but as I've been discussing this on various fora, perhaps it wasn't on here if you don't remember it.

It didn't surprise me when I read it, so perhaps it was even mentioned somewhere at the time.
Last edited by Stuart on 15 July 2010 8:30pm - 2 times in total
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excel99
chris posted:
Weekend bulletins? I can't see the BBC staffing TC7 all day Saturday and Sunday just for that...

Yes that is a wish more than anything. Though just the early and late evening bulletins are the issue really. Saturday lunchtime is almost always at 12pm so fits into the NC schedule nicely. (Indeed back when BBC1 network news at weekends was separate from the news channel, the Saturday lunchtime bulletin still came from the news channel studio). And most Sundays the lunchtime news is separate from the news channel

The problem with using BBC London (assuming the latter's current set-up is permanent) are the studios don't look very big, certainly not compared to TC7. When you consider how much Newsnight has grown since the Barcos were installed, with much more flexibility to have big debates with an audience, moving into a smaller set would surely be a step backwards?

Could the Broadcasting House move offer an opportunity for a bigger BBC London studio

Certainly though with Working Lunch being axed and Breakfast moving, there is either a need for one less London news studio, or one London news studio is not going to be very well utilised
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
I think some others have suggested that the move from Liverpool to London for This Morning was as much to do with Richard and Judy's desire to base themselves there, as it was for getting more guests.

What others? Where? I have never heard this - and the move was widely discussed on this forum at the time.

You just made that up.

I can assure you I didn't imagine it, or make it up as you allege.

It recall it being mentioned during the last few days, but as I've been discussing this on various fora, perhaps it wasn't on here if you don't remember it.

It didn't surprise me when I read it, so perhaps it was even mentioned somewhere at the time.


If I missed a beat, I'm more than happy to retract. Madely certainly made it out to be a question of guests - but if there were internal machinations going on then maybe there were different motivations afoot.

Nonetheless - they did get better guests on the couch (and more of them) when they were in the big smoke.

The question here - aside from the economy of running weekend studios etc - is whether viewers think guests are a draw to the programme.

My feeling is that - as it stands - its a well balanced show. Its not overly gossipy. There's no "live from Hollywood for the latest on LiLo", but you get a decent blend of A-Listers and BBC faces pushing their latest piece. And for a 10 minute segment (at most), its not a bad addition to to what is mostly news, current talking points, weather, sports, local and travel.

Clearly it aint broke. Daybreak might just be a winner. Might.

Why dick with the formula that's winning them the slot currently, for the sake of a Salford move that flies in the face of "Broadcasting House - home of news" strategy?
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Stuart
My feeling is that - as it stands - its a well balanced show. Its not overly gossipy. There's no "live from Hollywood for the latest on LiLo", but you get a decent blend of A-Listers and BBC faces pushing their latest piece. And for a 10 minute segment (at most), its not a bad addition to to what is mostly news, current talking points, weather, sports, local and travel.

Clearly it aint broke. Daybreak might just be a winner. Might.

Why dick with the formula that's winning them the slot currently, for the sake of a Salford move that flies in the face of "Broadcasting House - home of news" strategy?

I concur with the 'Home of News' strategy, Gav. However, none of us know what the long term editorial plans are for BBC Breakfast. I am a regular viewer, but rarely after 08:00, never mind the 'fluffy bits' after 08:30.

Steve in Pudsey may be correct with his suggestion that celebrity interviews and other stuff are consigned to a separate programme from London.

That wouldn't affect my viewing experience as a 15-45 minute viewer sometime between 06:00 and 08:00. The programme currently reaches me as a seamless product: despite being presented during that time from TC7 in London, various locations around the UK with specialist reports, and a local reporter in a studio only a mile up the road from me.

I don't see the presentation inertia being affected because the 'TC7' element is in MediaCity instead of W12.

Daybreak may be a winner indeed for ITV, but I doubt it will be because of anything that BBC Breakfast have done to damage their product.

Many on here were eager for a 'real view' of the outside world when championing GMTV's move to LTS's Studio 7 for the London skyline. Well, on the BBC you'll get Salford Quays. It'll be a nice view for sure, just not one that will be quite so recognisable to a particular region (unless you happen to be Sput)
Last edited by Stuart on 15 July 2010 11:05pm - 2 times in total
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Gavin Scott Founding member
As a self-identified "15-45 minute viewer sometime between 06:00 and 08:00", I can fully appreciate your less than positive regard for the section of the programme you do not watch.
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Stuart
As a self-identified "15-45 minute viewer sometime between 06:00 and 08:00", I can fully appreciate your less than positive regard for the section of the programme you do not watch.

...that being a section of the programme (after 08:30) which I have seen rarely and seems to have little connection to the rest of the programme in terms of content.

BBC Breakfast insn't intended to be viewed throughout the entire broadcast. It's designed as a 'dip-in-and-out' schedule, where you get the same things repeated enough times to catch them before you leave for work.

If you see something more than once on BBC Breakfast then either:
* You couldn't sleep and woke up too early for work
* You're late for work
* You're on leave and still got up early through habit
* You've got no work to go to and selected BBC One instead of GMTV
* The remote control is broken
Wink
Last edited by Stuart on 16 July 2010 12:33am
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Square Eyes Founding member
Eamon & Ruth rumour for BBC Breakfast ?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/3056627/THE-BBCs-plan-to-switch-its-breakfast-show-to-Salford-Quays-has-thrown-up-an-interesting-rumour-Eamonn-Holmes-could-become-its-new-anchor.html
JW
JamesWorldNews
Eamon & Ruth rumour for BBC Breakfast?


Now, this is getting silly. Whilst speculation is rife that Bill and Sian may quit instead of living in Manchester or Cheshire or somewhere, let's not forget the thousands of ordinary folk who relocate for their job purposes. Especially in the current flat market, if I had a good gig and it meant relocating to maintain it, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment. It's not as if they are being asked to shift to Bhutan, for goodness sake.

With regard to the product remaining a good product and still being accessible to the guests who would want to appear - that's a slightly different argument. But the hysteria surrounding Bill and Sian and Hollins being "livid" is just a tad too silly, IMO. Nothing more than tabloid nonsense.
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Inspector Sands
Actually that has often been cited as the real reason for the move and I've read that many times - here's an example -

Given that moving the show to London was Granada's only hope of keeping Richard and Judy on it, as after eight years they were hungry for change, leaving Liverpool seems a small price to pay
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/the-interview-richard-and-judy-talk-to-ben-thompson-1345687.html

It was mentioned by an ex-Granada producer on the Media Guardian website the other day too.

Getting guests in Manchester shouldn't be a problem, the thing these days is that PR firms aren't used to sending them any further than the M25. I don't remember the programmes of the past that were made outside London having trouble getting guests - Pebble Mill, This Morning, Open Air, The Tube etc.

If the programmes are there then they will travel up to be on them! With 5 Live and Breakfast up in Salford it might even encourage ITV to do a bit more up there too
JW
JamesWorldNews
Inspector Sands - you are very correct. Well said.
NG
noggin Founding member
Actually that has often been cited as the real reason for the move and I've read that many times - here's an example -

Given that moving the show to London was Granada's only hope of keeping Richard and Judy on it, as after eight years they were hungry for change, leaving Liverpool seems a small price to pay
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/the-interview-richard-and-judy-talk-to-ben-thompson-1345687.html

It was mentioned by an ex-Granada producer on the Media Guardian website the other day too.

Getting guests in Manchester shouldn't be a problem, the thing these days is that PR firms aren't used to sending them any further than the M25. I don't remember the programmes of the past that were made outside London having trouble getting guests - Pebble Mill, This Morning, Open Air, The Tube etc.

If the programmes are there then they will travel up to be on them! With 5 Live and Breakfast up in Salford it might even encourage ITV to do a bit more up there too


That might be true for some guests, but not those on a heavy London-centric schedule. Getting onto the Breakfast sofa at TVC is relatively easy for PRs to arrange, and then their star can start an all-day junket in London, have done a premiere the night before, and then do another show (like Norton etc.) later in the day. You can't do this if you start the day in Salford, and they are hardly likely to arrange for the junkets to be in Salford.

For US stars only here for a day or two, Salford will be out and Breakfast will have to put up with generic junket pre-records like other cheap outlets, rather than a sofa-based interview with the main presenters, which feels more produced.

UK guests with something very specific to plug and who don't have many other outlets to go on may well make the trip to and from Salford, bigger names with busy schedules are less likely to.

It's exactly the same problem Anne and Nick had at Pebble Mill and Richard and Judy had in Liverpool, and is why all the decent interview shows were and are still based in London.

I'm all for producing content throughout the UK - and not making everything in London - but some shows are just more practical to make in London.

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