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BBC Breakfast

(March 2009)

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noggin Founding member
Sounds like the BBC may have miscalculated how much studio capacity it needs in Salford then (which presumably they've contracted from the third party studio providers there?) - and has decided to use Breakfast to fill the gap?

Hardly a great way to enthuse a production team facing a renewed and invigorated ITV rival... It will also presumably guarantee that ITV get the A-list guests on their sofa... Even if Breakfast continues to beat ITV Daybreak, A-listers aren't going to want to head up to Manchester for an 0830 interview are they?

Lets hope there are lots of down-the-line studios and meeters-and-greeters in Broadcasting House and TVC... I can see there being a lot of "and joining us from our London studio" interviews...

It will also be interesting to see how this increases the staffing bills - as currently crew, production etc. are rotaed across Breakfast and the News Channel - meaning sickness, holiday etc. can be covered by rotaing from the general pool of people. If Breakfast is based in Salford, they will either need to work out how they do this cost effectively.

If they are using BBC-rented studios from a facilities provider then crew may not be their problem, but then it might be if they treat the operation like they do their main TVC studio (rented studio, crewed by news rather than resources crews) Sounds like a right royal mess to me.
Last edited by noggin on 14 July 2010 10:37am
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Ben Shatliff
Sounds like the BBC may have miscalculated how much studio capacity it needs in Salford then (which presumably they've contracted from the third party studio providers there?) - and has decided to use Breakfast to fill the gap?

Hardly a great way to enthuse a production team facing a renewed and invigorated ITV rival... It will also presumably guarantee that ITV get the A-list guests on their sofa... Even if Breakfast continues to beat ITV Daybreak, A-listers aren't going to want to head up to Manchester for an 0830 interview are they?

Lets hope there are lots of down-the-line studios and meeters-and-greeters in Broadcasting House and TVC... I can see there being a lot of "and joining us from our London studio" interviews...

It will also be interesting to see how this increases the staffing bills - as currently crew, production etc. are rotaed across Breakfast and the News Channel - meaning sickness, holiday etc. can be covered by rotaing from the general pool of people. If Breakfast is based in Salford, they will either need to work out how they do this cost effectively.

If they are using BBC-rented studios from a facilities provider then crew may not be their problem, but then it might be if they treat the operation like they do their main TVC studio (rented studio, crewed by news rather than resources crews) Sounds like a right royal mess to me.


I think you are being very unreasonable in saying no-one will travel up to Salford Quays to be a guest on BBC Breakfast, what is wrong with Manchester, nothing at all?

Sky is hardly London Central and they manage it.

It is about time people realised what Manchester has to offer.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
I think you are being very ubreasonable in syaing no-one will travel up to Salford Quays to be a guest on BBC Breakfast, what si wrong with Manchester, nothing at all?

Sky is hardly London Central and they manage it.

It is about time people realised what Manchester has to offer.


Ben, I don't think you're understanding people's concerns.

Its got nothing to do with people not realising "what Manchester has to offer" - its just an impracticably long journey to expect London based "celebrity" guests to travel to for a 5 minute chat on the sofa.

And as most of the guests of that nature on Breakfast are London based, then that's a big problem for the show.
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Ben Shatliff
I think you are being very ubreasonable in syaing no-one will travel up to Salford Quays to be a guest on BBC Breakfast, what si wrong with Manchester, nothing at all?

Sky is hardly London Central and they manage it.

It is about time people realised what Manchester has to offer.


Ben, I don't think you're understanding people's concerns.

Its got nothing to do with people not realising "what Manchester has to offer" - its just an impracticably long journey to expect London based "celebrity" guests to travel to for a 5 minute chat on the sofa.

And as most of the guests of that nature on Breakfast are London based, then that's a big problem for the show.


What about guests from Manchester and Scotland who travel to London to go on the programme, why not widen the scope so people across the UK can have the opportunity to appear?

As an ITV supporter over the BBC, I wish to applaud BBC on this one and I look forward to seeing the programme from an studio just a few yards from where I work.

London may be the Capital and I love London, but let's think outside the bubble and move around the UK.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
What about guests from Manchester and Scotland who travel to London to go on the programme, why not widen the scope so people across the UK can have the opportunity to appear?

As an ITV supporter over the BBC, I wish to applaud BBC on this one and I look forward to seeing the programme from an studio just a few yards from where I work.

London may be the Capital and I love London, but let's think outside the bubble and move around the UK.


Ben, the largest majority of guests who appear on the show - be they actors or authors or politicians - are based in London. How many guests do they have on the show who live in Manchester or Scotland?

There's something for you to do - find that out. (The answer is not many).

Wishing it were otherwise, while nice, is futile. And I say that as someone who lives in Edinburgh.
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Newsroom
I think you are being very ubreasonable in syaing no-one will travel up to Salford Quays to be a guest on BBC Breakfast, what si wrong with Manchester, nothing at all?

Sky is hardly London Central and they manage it.

It is about time people realised what Manchester has to offer.


Ben, I don't think you're understanding people's concerns.

Its got nothing to do with people not realising "what Manchester has to offer" - its just an impracticably long journey to expect London based "celebrity" guests to travel to for a 5 minute chat on the sofa.

And as most of the guests of that nature on Breakfast are London based, then that's a big problem for the show.


What about guests from Manchester and Scotland who travel to London to go on the programme, why not widen the scope so people across the UK can have the opportunity to appear?

As an ITV supporter over the BBC, I wish to applaud BBC on this one and I look forward to seeing the programme from an studio just a few yards from where I work.

London may be the Capital and I love London, but let's think outside the bubble and move around the UK.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with Salford or Manchester for that matter. Sky is in Isleworth, which is hardly 200 miles outside of London, it's 40mins in a cab IF THAT from Central London.

One of the main concerns regarding guests is the celebrity guest, and the fact that getting people interested enough to get to Salford will prove problematic. It's hard enough convincing people to get up for GMTV or Breakfast as it is, without having to get 200 miles North.
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TG
Plus, wasn't the travel issue often quoted by ITV for This Morning's move from the Albert Dock to the South Bank?

Sure, SOME people will come, but in the case of Breakfast, unless they're all gonna be put in a car at 2 or 3am in London, I can see it really MIGHT be a problem getting every guest to come into their studio for the sake of 3-5 minutes.

Nothing against Manchester, but it is just too far from the Capital - even further that early in the day before many flights or trains start up properly.
GE
thegeek Founding member
I think the only benefit to moving Breakfast to Salford is that it'll be able to share guests with Five Live. Though, at present, Breakfast, Today and Five Live breakfast are all in the building, so it's still a bit of a step backwards.
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Magoo
The first thing that came to mind when reading this suggestion was This Morning being based at Albert Docks. Obviously, Breakfast could interview everyone based in London down the line, but surely that would incur extra costs which could be avoided by staying in the capital.
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Ben Founding member
It would be one thing to have a programme based in Manchester, guests could get up there easy enough. The problem though, Breakfast is an early morning programme so if you want to have the big guests on the programme the chances are you need to have a hotel room for them for the night before. Breakfast just isn't the right programme to be based in Manchester.
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Stuart
I don't think they should move BBC Breakfast to Manchester simply because it defeats the policy of having brought it within the BBC News brand. They're even bringing all media news together at Broadcasting House in 3 years, so why have one element 200 miles away.

However, I disagree with the other reasons which many people have given on here.

Firstly, I don't watch Breakfast for their A-list celebrities. It's currently only shown after 8:30, but that sort of meaningless drivel should be left to GMTV/Daybreak anyway. However, the celebrity is normally plugging their latest film/book/CD/DVD/Play, and already travels around the country do so. They would just be interviewed at the same time as their other media appointments in Manchester.

Secondly, politicians are often interviewed down-the-line from Millbank because they are reluctant to leave the Westminster bubble. The location of the interviewer is therefore irrelevant.
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Brekkie
A rather stupid and costly move. Presumably if it were at Broadcasting house it would continue to share studios with other BBC News output, rather than having it's own up in Manchester - and as for the issue of costs, any guests who are willing to travel up to Manchester from London to appear won't be doing so at their own expense. We'd end up footing their travel and hotel bills (they'd almost certainly travel up the night before I'd imagine).

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