The Newsroom

BBC Breakfast - 2018 Refresh

(June 2018)

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NG
noggin Founding member
Sport in Salford seem to have mastered using augmented reality - Breakfast would seem like an obvious candidate for an AR "window", where the perspective moves with the cameras.


For it to be AR you'd need to ensure nobody is in front of the window, otherwise you'd need to use chroma key (and hope no guest wears green) or LED screen (and ensure the close-ups are clean or the jib ONLY moves on shot).

Pure AR screens are tricky as you have no way of keying a camera over them, only them over a camera.
BR
Brekkie
Come on, what did you expect?
This is the start of evolution, culminating in a new set next year. There’s lots of exciting planning underway.
You can’t expect revolution - and why wreck a winning formula?

Crisp, clean, classy. Looks great.

You talk as if introducing a new look over a period of about 10 months is the normal way of doing things.

The new set will probably be the current set with new screen images

At best it'll just be a generic BBC News regional set, a design which is already 6 years old.

They really should have claimed squatters rights after the Olympics - all that needed doing was removing the prominent BBC Sport signs. I've always felt that not only is the sport set better than Breakfasts it is also better than the main news set too.
AN
Andrew Founding member
Isn’t the BBC Sport set a working sports newsroom rather than just a mock up though? It’d seem odd a show nothing to do with what’s going on around them coming from that space?
NG
noggin Founding member
Isn’t the BBC Sport set a working sports newsroom rather than just a mock up though? It’d seem odd a show nothing to do with what’s going on around them coming from that space?


There is the second Sport News set which was used for Right On The Money Live (a daytime finance show). It's not hugely obvious that it in a sport newsroom because of the diffused flats.
BR
Brekkie
Isn’t the BBC Sport set a working sports newsroom rather than just a mock up though? It’d seem odd a show nothing to do with what’s going on around them coming from that space?

No odder than all the fake newsroom backdrops which are empty. Makes no difference to the viewer what news is being gathered and at that time of day Breakfast wouldn't be hugely disruptive to the staff at that time.
TV
TVViewer256
I was referring to CBS, so you are wrong
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BB
BBI45
I was referring to CBS, so you are wrong
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Did you really feel the need to bring that up?
If you are that desperate for a response, read outcome 1 and consider it case closed.
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SC
scottishtv Founding member
Isn’t the BBC Sport set a working sports newsroom rather than just a mock up though? It’d seem odd a show nothing to do with what’s going on around them coming from that space?

Indeed, and whilst it was a nice change, Breakfast during Rio was hardly this mind-blowing incredible programme people seem to hark back to. Look at the post here, and you'll note it's the usual Sport background, but there are also some cheap pop-up banner stands and some extra monitors shipped in with the Breakfast slide on them to brighten up the background up a bit. The studio itself is hardly huge. I also recall others also posting some practical difficulties such as guest facilities not being nearby, and this all being in a different department - so was not a sustainable switch long term.

If they updated the backdrops in the current studio I think that could make a big improvement. Other than that, I like the new music and the shorter, snappier TOTH also works for me. I'm half-asleep and just want the news at 7am.
JB
JexedBack
NWT studio was originally going to be in the sports centre.
Plans were changed at the last minute when Breakfast was added to the Salford mix. Breakfast didn’t want the real window view for lighting and security reasons.
WO
Worzel
NWT studio was originally going to be in the sports centre.
Plans were changed at the last minute when Breakfast was added to the Salford mix. Breakfast didn’t want the real window view for lighting and security reasons.


Wasn't that (the then) DG Mark Thompson who stepped in with that comment re. Security etc?
SC
scottishtv Founding member
It would just look a bit like below, and everyone here would just say how boring it looks. Not very bright or breakfast-y. The actual footprint of that sport studio looks pretty neat. The newsroom gives more of a sense of space, but you'd be limited in how you present business, guests, sport etc. In fact, it almost reminds me of Sky News overnights from the 2000s (which wasn't a bright, breezy look):

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RK
Rkolsen
Sport in Salford seem to have mastered using augmented reality - Breakfast would seem like an obvious candidate for an AR "window", where the perspective moves with the cameras.


For it to be AR you'd need to ensure nobody is in front of the window, otherwise you'd need to use chroma key (and hope no guest wears green) or LED screen (and ensure the close-ups are clean or the jib ONLY moves on shot).

Pure AR screens are tricky as you have no way of keying a camera over them, only them over a camera.


Aren’t there augmented reality systems for backdrops like windows. So in the studio the monitors would stay the same but the video would move. Viz has done stuff similar during their NAB shows for years except instead of multiple windows they use a big video wall.

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