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Baroness Thatcher has died

Funeral coverage - Dimbleby for BBC, Stewart, Schofield and Willoughby for ITV (April 2013)

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MA
Markymark
Jon posted:
Chris Cook on Twitter:

@chrisckmedia: Love being able to cue the prime minister live on @BBCOne ! What a day! Everyone played a blinder. #Thatcher


I don't like it. I know the media and politicians feed off each other, but that's a step too far.

I disagree really. It's not like the BBC were controlling the content of the speech, it was beneficial for Downing Street to co-ordinate with the BBC in order for the message to get out to the greatest amount of people possible.


No, granted, but the BBC are our national broadcaster, not our state broadcaster ?

Nothing wrong with No 10 telling the press that the PM will come out at 18:xx:xx hrs, but I'm uncomfortable
with the Beeb (or any other broadcaster) cueing him in.


That's ridiculous, it was merely done to ensure the prime ministers speech was seen live in full without missing the start of it.


The Beeb are more than capable of hitting a pre defined point in time, to carry an event, (although they've equally capable of screwing up too, the resignation of Entwhistle is a prime (ironic) example). Sorry
but I'm not comfortable with broadcasters dictating the exact timing of an event. It's the thin end of the
wedge IMHO.


The BBC could hit the time bang on, whether the Government could is an entirely different matter. I think you're looking into it far too closely as if there is some sinister intention.


No there's nothing deliberately sinister about it, it was just that watching, it looked a bit too smooth. If the speech had been introduced from the studio, that would have been fine, I just found it a bit 'state broadcasterish' the way it came over, with Cameron appearing in shot over Alagiah's shoulder. Of course, Chris Cook might not have been serious with his Tweet, that's another matter, anybody can get into hot water attempting to show off via that route, but that's another discussion !
IS
Inspector Sands
Of course the PM's Director of Communications is ex-BBC so maybe you might be onto something Wink
RB
RB
Has Neil Kinnock or Arthur Scargill done any television yet?
John Major did C4 with Jon Snow.

They'd be the three men at the top of my wish list as interviewees today.
WO
Worzel
Is Jane Hill OK? She's either cold or something else?
JA
Jaxford
Is Jane Hill OK? She's either cold or something else?

I think she's just cold.
MA
Markymark
Nice archive footage of ITN's 1979 election coverage, and a very young Jon Snow in Downing Street for
Mrs T's arrival on C4 just now

My memory was only ITN covered that live, I seem to remember BBC 1/2 were showing the Test Card
at that moment ?
CO
Connews
Just a thing regarding BBC's 'cueing' of Thatcher.... surely George just cut his ad-libbing short when he heard the snaps from the paparazzi? I don't think it was necessarily a collaboration between government and the Beeb, just knowledge of a rough approximation of the speech and George using his ears.
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Richard
House posted:
Oh and as for Robinson's obit - Thatcher would have had obits ready for broadcast for the past thirty years. As has most public figures.


Do the BBC have obits ready for current politicians one wouldn't expect to die any time soon? For example, you wouldn't expect David Cameron or Ed Miliband to pass on, where as someone like Margaret Thatcher has been suffering from health problems for a long time and was clearly getting older. I'd imagine it's far harder to put together a decent obit and provide breaking news coverage for someone like Cameron, especially given the knock-on ramifications of such a death. Would they/ did they have an obit ready for Thatcher before the Brighton bombing, for example?


I think the equivalent would be Diana -I don't think there was much, if anything prepared. Also with someone like Lady Thatcher (and to a lesser extent the Queen Mother), the reports could have been prepared some time ago, without needing much of an update in recent months/years.
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thegeek Founding member
Just caught a glimpse of Jon Snow sitting on the old Channel 4 News desk in the studio as part of their documentary. Always been curious to know how far in advance they make these things...
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Davidjb Founding member
Jon posted:
Chris Cook on Twitter:

@chrisckmedia: Love being able to cue the prime minister live on @BBCOne ! What a day! Everyone played a blinder. #Thatcher


I don't like it. I know the media and politicians feed off each other, but that's a step too far.

I disagree really. It's not like the BBC were controlling the content of the speech, it was beneficial for Downing Street to co-ordinate with the BBC in order for the message to get out to the greatest amount of people possible.


No, granted, but the BBC are our national broadcaster, not our state broadcaster ?

Nothing wrong with No 10 telling the press that the PM will come out at 18:xx:xx hrs, but I'm uncomfortable
with the Beeb (or any other broadcaster) cueing him in.


That's ridiculous, it was merely done to ensure the prime ministers speech was seen live in full without missing the start of it.


The Beeb are more than capable of hitting a pre defined point in time, to carry an event, (although they've equally capable of screwing up too, the resignation of Entwhistle is a prime (ironic) example). Sorry
but I'm not comfortable with broadcasters dictating the exact timing of an event. It's the thin end of the
wedge IMHO.


The BBC could hit the time bang on, whether the Government could is an entirely different matter. I think you're looking into it far too closely as if there is some sinister intention.


No there's nothing deliberately sinister about it, it was just that watching, it looked a bit too smooth. If the speech had been introduced from the studio, that would have been fine, I just found it a bit 'state broadcasterish' the way it came over, with Cameron appearing in shot over Alagiah's shoulder. Of course, Chris Cook might not have been serious with his Tweet, that's another matter, anybody can get into hot water attempting to show off via that route, but that's another discussion !


I don't think Chris Cook in the job position he is in is going to make something like that up and write about it on Twitter, why would he need to and it wouldn't look good from a professional point of view.
RB
RB
Just caught a glimpse of Jon Snow sitting on the old Channel 4 News desk in the studio as part of their documentary. Always been curious to know how far in advance they make these things...


I suspect that they'd got all the interviews in the can and Jon simply rewrote any links that needed to be rewritten earlier today (for time and circumstance issues, after all he wouldn't have known how or where she died until today) and then shot them all in one go just before the news.

The studio pieces would then be slotted in.
IS
Inspector Sands
I think the equivalent would be Diana -I don't think there was much, if anything prepared. Also with someone like Lady Thatcher (and to a lesser extent the Queen Mother), the reports could have been prepared some time ago, without needing much of an update in recent months/years.

Yes, although such things do occasionally need updating because either the reporter has left the programme* or because they've been sitting around so long that one of the contributors have died in the meantime!

There will be obits in existence for world leaders like Blair, Cameron, Bush, Obama etc but those who are ill/old will have a lot of content ready to go - Thatcher and President Chavez being 2 recent examples... Mandela and Castro two future ones


*which is the reason you'll rarely see a reporter in an obit package. The scripts are kept handy in case they need a hasty revoice

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