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ASIA Disaster - Coverage & Discussion

150,000 Confirmed Dead (December 2004)

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CO
cortomaltese
North East posted:
BBC LDN posted:
cat posted:
BBC LDN posted:
North East posted:
i was surprised that Sky was reporting it as a tidal wave when all the other channels were refering to it as a Tsunami- and even explaining how the two are different.


It's unfortunate then that Sky is completely wrong. A tidal wave is a result of meteorological conditions, most often happening when a storm combines with high tidal conditions. A tsunami is a destructive wave caused by the seismic effects of an earthquake, seaquake or underwater volcanic eruption.

I'm not sure what explanation Sky have given for "tidal wave" being the appropriate term, but sadly that is wholly inaccurate.


Well, as ever, you are blinkered in your criticism.

Everyone from BBC News Online to the Washington Post were describing them as 'tidal waves'. I personally think that is not the real tragedy of the event, but obviously it distressed you to such a significant extent that you felt the need to comment.

As for Sky, I haven't seen too much of it because I've been in Paris over Christmas, but didn't see anyone from their New Delhi bureau on there, which I thought was strange. French TV has been pretty impressive, but then they are always breaking into regular programming for even the most minor of stories, so no suprise they've gone all out on it.


Oh do shut up.

It wasn't a "Sky sucks" rant; I was merely addressing North East's insistence that Sky was correct for going out of its way to use what they determined to be the more correct use of the phrase "tidal wave". I wasn't the one who made the assertion that Sky was the only organisation to use the term "tidal wave". I was merely responding in reference to the words of North East, and his mention that Sky was going out of its way to explain why "tidal wave" was more correct than "tsunami".

Regardless of what channel it appears on, "tidal wave" is incorrect. I dont quite understand your need to stir up shít, nor your insistence on taking a factual correction so personally.

And incidentally, most of the reports on BBC NOL use the word "tsunami" (there's also a page explaining the science of a tsunami), and N24 and WORLD are referring to it as a tsunami as well. In fact, most coverage I have seen refers to it as tsunami, but occasionally reporters - on all channels and websites - use "tidal wave" as an interchangeable term to provide variety of language. Doesn't make it any more accurate, but at least the more common reference is to tsunami.


BTW i was originally pointin out that Sky was wrong not 'insisting' they were right.

anyway how bad is this-its a total disaster.
I do think that considering its christmas all of news organisations have had really good coverage, but i think Sky had the edge today-v good, itv nc was poor but the network bulletins have been v good. watched Fox a little bit this afternoon and i couldn't believe it. tens of thousands dead and they were talkin about celebrity couples. then when they did talk about it- there angle was could this happen in america- totally self obsessed. i just hope the numbers dead dont keep rising.


Fox sucks.
MO
Moz
NickyS posted:
North East posted:
i cant remember seeing ITV using a report that had been filmed and then sent via videophone before.
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I wonder if they had hoped to get it via Store and Forward but it didn't quite work in time so they decided to send it via the videophone. Store and Forward is good when it works - I would assume the BBC report from Navdip was S&F tonight - but it can be hit and miss especially in difficult conditions.


What's 'Store & Forward'?
RE
Reuben
the bbc1 announcer has just introduced the news at 10.40 saying it was 'slightly later than planned'. Why , if it started dead on 10.40?
LO
Londoner
News room posted:
ITV News excelled themselves with their News Special on ITV1 this evening. They have deployed Adrian Britton and Martin Geisler to the region as well as having John Irvine there already. I am suprised Bill Neely hasn't gone himself, though from London he filed a great report

Yes, it was an excellent programme. To add to your list they have also sent Harry Smith to Sri Lanka.
AN
Ant
I'm confused. Why is ITV News saying 25,000 people are dead and BBC News is saying 23,000 people are dead? Thats a big difference between them!
LO
Londoner
Some caps from that ITV News special:
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/tsunami1.jpg
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/tsunami2.jpg
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/tsunami3.jpg
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/tsunami4.jpg
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/tsunami5.jpg
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/tsunami6.jpg
UB
Uncle Bruce
Moz posted:
NickyS posted:
North East posted:
i cant remember seeing ITV using a report that had been filmed and then sent via videophone before.
.

I wonder if they had hoped to get it via Store and Forward but it didn't quite work in time so they decided to send it via the videophone. Store and Forward is good when it works - I would assume the BBC report from Navdip was S&F tonight - but it can be hit and miss especially in difficult conditions.


What's 'Store & Forward'?


Edited video is sent over slow data link over the space of two or three hours - rather than in 'real time' over a vision circuit of some description like satellite or videophone.

Good way sending quality reports from locations you can only use low-quality real time videophones.

You can usually spot them on tv because they have that horrid 'filmic' quality to them - I can only assume to compress the report frames are dropped in the process. I expect one of the tech bods can fill us in a little better on this.

Noggin ... the stage is set for ya!
BA
baoren
Antz posted:
I'm confused. Why is ITV News saying 25,000 people are dead and BBC News is saying 23,000 people are dead? Thats a big difference between them!


Chinese media have qouted 28,000. Perhaps ITV News and BBC News are using different sources?
ED
ED Founding member
News room posted:
Yeah, CNN Domestic took CNNI this morning for the majority of CNN Today. Pretty good show this morning.


CNN International's coverage is a STARK contrast to CNN US's coverage. I saw the switchover yesterday morning from CNNI to CNN US... let's just say CNN Daybreak's presenter was too perky for the story, and their coverage of the event was not deep enough.

I do hope CNN US does this more often, CNNi is doing a good job.
IS
Isonstine Founding member
yaloh posted:
Antz posted:
I'm confused. Why is ITV News saying 25,000 people are dead and BBC News is saying 23,000 people are dead? Thats a big difference between them!


Chinese media have qouted 28,000. Perhaps ITV News and BBC News are using different sources?


Intense speculation is still going on. IRN are reporting on their wires that up to 60,000 may have died - but of course the official toll will take a good while to come through.

It's interesting - I usually live for big stories like this to analyse the coverage...but I haven't had chance! Although it's probably because I am living for it, and I'm on news cover so I'm never far from knowing what's happened. Laughing

Although I am slightly IRN-biased...and that's never a good thing. Their copy-writing skills still amaze me (!) but I must say they've done very well with this story. But with a lot of audio being grabbed straight from ITN video, it's unsurprising. Although at the moment they seem hell bent of sending cuts of families sitting in airports rather than concentrating on the aid efforts that are getting underway.

But then I suppose I can't talk...it's not easy moving from 28,000 dead to older people in Leicestershire should do a foreign language. The joys of local news...and especially at a slow news time like this (locally anyway...no-one's in to get an interview...bloody bank holidays)
NG
noggin Founding member
Uncle Bruce posted:
Moz posted:
NickyS posted:
North East posted:
i cant remember seeing ITV using a report that had been filmed and then sent via videophone before.
.

I wonder if they had hoped to get it via Store and Forward but it didn't quite work in time so they decided to send it via the videophone. Store and Forward is good when it works - I would assume the BBC report from Navdip was S&F tonight - but it can be hit and miss especially in difficult conditions.


What's 'Store & Forward'?


Edited video is sent over slow data link over the space of two or three hours - rather than in 'real time' over a vision circuit of some description like satellite or videophone.

Good way sending quality reports from locations you can only use low-quality real time videophones.

You can usually spot them on tv because they have that horrid 'filmic' quality to them - I can only assume to compress the report frames are dropped in the process. I expect one of the tech bods can fill us in a little better on this.

Noggin ... the stage is set for ya!


Never miss an opportunity like that!

Store and Forward is the generic name for non-real time transmission of video, allowing the use of satellite phones, ISDN lines or ADSL data rate circuits to feed video, rather than requiring a real-time video rate satellite, fibre or microwave style link. The video material is played into the S&F box (either a custom bit of hardware, or a rugged laptop) compressed and then sent via a data link to a box at the broadcast centre. Some use custom video encoding and data link systems, others use MPEG2 or MPEG4 and FTP.

The first S&F systems widely used (mid-to-late 90s?) were things like Toko, which used sat phones, but the quality was only a little better than the current video phones now deployed (though they weren't available then) and they ran at lower resolution, meaning that only one of the two interlaced fields was broadcast, giving the 25Hz field-dropped "film look".

These days lots of material is filed using a variety of different store and forward systems - even in the UK (The BBC regions use S&F to file material from some regional bureaux - and it is how the pre-recorded Spotlight Channel Islands headlines are fed from Plymouth to Jersey) The quality of material sent via S&F depends on two things - the data rate of the link available, and the time available to feed. If you have enough time, or a fast enough link, it is possible to feed material at quality levels that can be better than some of the worst real-time video links. The downside is that it can take hours to feed minutes of material, and you are often left with nothing if the system fails towards the end of a feed.

These days it is common to do the following to improve things :
1. File the report audio first, in real time, using ISDN (this allows you to cover the report with agency or library material and still have a report) It also allows a report to have higher quality audio - as some S&F systems have poor audio (as video phones do)
2. File the report via videophone first - so you have some pictures - albeit poor quality.
3. File pieces to camera separately (so you still have some location reporting but don't have to wait for the whole piece)
4. File the whole report in chunks - so you can have something to broadcast before the whole thing has arrrived.

S&F is revolutionising TV News - but it still has limitations.
AN
Ant
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6754820/

I heard this on Forth One this morning that the deaths have reached a massive 37,000 people but according to this website it is even higher at 40,000!

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