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Where is Sky's so-called [i.m.o. useless] India Correspondent Richard Bestic? JT must be out there on holiday.
I'm abroad so haven't seen anything but the BBC's web coverage which is unimpressive and disappointing, given their superior resources.
It feels in bad taste to be discussing individual presenters when there is a tragedy of this immensity.
Btw - related to this topic -can anyone explain by way of reply or p.m. why I can watch BBC N24 on the web outside the UK/Eire but not Sky? When it's a big, breaking story of this type you can't beat Sky. I know there are lots of Skyphobes/Murdochphobes out there incl on this forum which I find silly. I want to watch the best coverage, that's all.
And that means not just which British tourists have been affected.
I'm abroad so haven't seen anything but the BBC's web coverage which is unimpressive and disappointing, given their superior resources.
It feels in bad taste to be discussing individual presenters when there is a tragedy of this immensity.
Btw - related to this topic -can anyone explain by way of reply or p.m. why I can watch BBC N24 on the web outside the UK/Eire but not Sky? When it's a big, breaking story of this type you can't beat Sky. I know there are lots of Skyphobes/Murdochphobes out there incl on this forum which I find silly. I want to watch the best coverage, that's all.
And that means not just which British tourists have been affected.
NS
You can't say the BBC's coverage is distant - they have more correspondents on the ground than anyone else. ITV/SKY have had some people on holiday in the area. But the range of correspondents the BBC has is far better. This is down to the fact that they work for the BBC World Service but Rachel Harvey in Indonesia has been excellent, Geeta Pandey is AFAIK the only correspondent in the Andaman and Nicobar islands, Matthew Grant in a village near Madras has been great, Navdip Dhariwal and Dumeethra Luthra are in a devastated town in Sri Lanka, with Nick Bryant in the Colomo, then you've got Kylie Morris and Andrew Harding on Phuket, Chris Hogg in Bangkok, Roland Buerk's eyewitness stuff on the first day. Just look at the 'human' reporting that has been in the reports tonight from Andrew Harding and Navdip on tonight's news. I think that's given a far better picture from across all the countries than some other outlets.
NickyS
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GavBelfast posted:
I'm disappointed with the BBC's coverage of this catastrophe - it seems repetitive and distant. ITV's has picked-up, but Sky News is leaving them both behind. I haven't watched CNN or the dreaded Fox News.
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You can't say the BBC's coverage is distant - they have more correspondents on the ground than anyone else. ITV/SKY have had some people on holiday in the area. But the range of correspondents the BBC has is far better. This is down to the fact that they work for the BBC World Service but Rachel Harvey in Indonesia has been excellent, Geeta Pandey is AFAIK the only correspondent in the Andaman and Nicobar islands, Matthew Grant in a village near Madras has been great, Navdip Dhariwal and Dumeethra Luthra are in a devastated town in Sri Lanka, with Nick Bryant in the Colomo, then you've got Kylie Morris and Andrew Harding on Phuket, Chris Hogg in Bangkok, Roland Buerk's eyewitness stuff on the first day. Just look at the 'human' reporting that has been in the reports tonight from Andrew Harding and Navdip on tonight's news. I think that's given a far better picture from across all the countries than some other outlets.
NE
It's unfortunate then that Sky is completely wrong. A tidal wave is a result of meteorological conditions, most often happening when a storm combines with high tidal conditions. A tsunami is a destructive wave caused by the seismic effects of an earthquake, seaquake or underwater volcanic eruption.
I'm not sure what explanation Sky have given for "tidal wave" being the appropriate term, but sadly that is wholly inaccurate.
Well, as ever, you are blinkered in your criticism.
Everyone from BBC News Online to the Washington Post were describing them as 'tidal waves'. I personally think that is not the real tragedy of the event, but obviously it distressed you to such a significant extent that you felt the need to comment.
As for Sky, I haven't seen too much of it because I've been in Paris over Christmas, but didn't see anyone from their New Delhi bureau on there, which I thought was strange. French TV has been pretty impressive, but then they are always breaking into regular programming for even the most minor of stories, so no suprise they've gone all out on it.
Oh do shut up.
It wasn't a "Sky sucks" rant; I was merely addressing North East's insistence that Sky was correct for going out of its way to use what they determined to be the more correct use of the phrase "tidal wave". I wasn't the one who made the assertion that Sky was the only organisation to use the term "tidal wave". I was merely responding in reference to the words of North East, and his mention that Sky was going out of its way to explain why "tidal wave" was more correct than "tsunami".
Regardless of what channel it appears on, "tidal wave" is incorrect. I dont quite understand your need to stir up shít, nor your insistence on taking a factual correction so personally.
And incidentally, most of the reports on BBC NOL use the word "tsunami" (there's also a page explaining the science of a tsunami), and N24 and WORLD are referring to it as a tsunami as well. In fact, most coverage I have seen refers to it as tsunami, but occasionally reporters - on all channels and websites - use "tidal wave" as an interchangeable term to provide variety of language. Doesn't make it any more accurate, but at least the more common reference is to tsunami.
BTW i was originally pointin out that Sky was wrong not 'insisting' they were right.
anyway how bad is this-its a total disaster.
I do think that considering its christmas all of news organisations have had really good coverage, but i think Sky had the edge today-v good, itv nc was poor but the network bulletins have been v good. watched Fox a little bit this afternoon and i couldn't believe it. tens of thousands dead and they were talkin about celebrity couples. then when they did talk about it- there angle was could this happen in america- totally self obsessed. i just hope the numbers dead dont keep rising.
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cat posted:
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North East posted:
i was surprised that Sky was reporting it as a tidal wave when all the other channels were refering to it as a Tsunami- and even explaining how the two are different.
It's unfortunate then that Sky is completely wrong. A tidal wave is a result of meteorological conditions, most often happening when a storm combines with high tidal conditions. A tsunami is a destructive wave caused by the seismic effects of an earthquake, seaquake or underwater volcanic eruption.
I'm not sure what explanation Sky have given for "tidal wave" being the appropriate term, but sadly that is wholly inaccurate.
Well, as ever, you are blinkered in your criticism.
Everyone from BBC News Online to the Washington Post were describing them as 'tidal waves'. I personally think that is not the real tragedy of the event, but obviously it distressed you to such a significant extent that you felt the need to comment.
As for Sky, I haven't seen too much of it because I've been in Paris over Christmas, but didn't see anyone from their New Delhi bureau on there, which I thought was strange. French TV has been pretty impressive, but then they are always breaking into regular programming for even the most minor of stories, so no suprise they've gone all out on it.
Oh do shut up.
It wasn't a "Sky sucks" rant; I was merely addressing North East's insistence that Sky was correct for going out of its way to use what they determined to be the more correct use of the phrase "tidal wave". I wasn't the one who made the assertion that Sky was the only organisation to use the term "tidal wave". I was merely responding in reference to the words of North East, and his mention that Sky was going out of its way to explain why "tidal wave" was more correct than "tsunami".
Regardless of what channel it appears on, "tidal wave" is incorrect. I dont quite understand your need to stir up shít, nor your insistence on taking a factual correction so personally.
And incidentally, most of the reports on BBC NOL use the word "tsunami" (there's also a page explaining the science of a tsunami), and N24 and WORLD are referring to it as a tsunami as well. In fact, most coverage I have seen refers to it as tsunami, but occasionally reporters - on all channels and websites - use "tidal wave" as an interchangeable term to provide variety of language. Doesn't make it any more accurate, but at least the more common reference is to tsunami.
BTW i was originally pointin out that Sky was wrong not 'insisting' they were right.
anyway how bad is this-its a total disaster.
I do think that considering its christmas all of news organisations have had really good coverage, but i think Sky had the edge today-v good, itv nc was poor but the network bulletins have been v good. watched Fox a little bit this afternoon and i couldn't believe it. tens of thousands dead and they were talkin about celebrity couples. then when they did talk about it- there angle was could this happen in america- totally self obsessed. i just hope the numbers dead dont keep rising.
CA
Whereas comments like that expose your startling intellectual prowess and contribute greatly to the discussion.
If JT was on holiday in the region (which I would be surprised about, as he was not doing any reporting yesterday) then they would've had to send out the rest of the team - camera, uplink, etc - so still a fair operation.
BBC LDN posted:
I do wish you'd go and píss on a lamppost somewhere else, because you've clearly got nothing useful to say here.
Whereas comments like that expose your startling intellectual prowess and contribute greatly to the discussion.
If JT was on holiday in the region (which I would be surprised about, as he was not doing any reporting yesterday) then they would've had to send out the rest of the team - camera, uplink, etc - so still a fair operation.
MR
JT has just flown out to present from the area, he wasn't out there on holiday.
And as regards the whole tidal waves vs tsunami arguments. It maybe wrong but everybody from BBC Radio Five Live to CNBC and more have been using it as a description.
In the end, is it really that important what it's being called?
And as regards the whole tidal waves vs tsunami arguments. It maybe wrong but everybody from BBC Radio Five Live to CNBC and more have been using it as a description.
In the end, is it really that important what it's being called?
NR
ITV News excelled themselves with their News Special on ITV1 this evening. They have deployed Adrian Britton and Martin Geisler to the region as well as having John Irvine there already. I am suprised Bill Neely hasn't gone himself, though from London he filed a great report.
Does anyone know how long the BBC One bulletin is being extended by? www.bbc.co.uk haven't updated their schedule.
Does anyone know how long the BBC One bulletin is being extended by? www.bbc.co.uk haven't updated their schedule.
NE
That ITV News special was excellent, especially Bill Neeley's report. noticed CNN played it as soon as the special on ITV finished.
i cant remember seeing ITV using a report that had been filmed and then sent via videophone before.
That Slot is really good for programmes like that, they used it for Boscastle, and it works well.
i cant remember seeing ITV using a report that had been filmed and then sent via videophone before.
That Slot is really good for programmes like that, they used it for Boscastle, and it works well.
TE
Well I must say ITV News has certainly excelled itself with coverage of the Tsunami / Earthquake. A lot better than BBC News' coverage.
It's true that when there is a major incident like this, ITV News' coverage is, IMO, a lot better that the BBC's.
Although, ITV News on ITV1 didn't cover any other news on the 6.15 programme !!! If this terrible incident hadn't taken place, I'm sure we would have had a lot of coverage from Ukraine.
It's true that when there is a major incident like this, ITV News' coverage is, IMO, a lot better that the BBC's.
Although, ITV News on ITV1 didn't cover any other news on the 6.15 programme !!! If this terrible incident hadn't taken place, I'm sure we would have had a lot of coverage from Ukraine.
NS
I wonder if they had hoped to get it via Store and Forward but it didn't quite work in time so they decided to send it via the videophone. Store and Forward is good when it works - I would assume the BBC report from Navdip was S&F tonight - but it can be hit and miss especially in difficult conditions.
NickyS
Founding member
North East posted:
i cant remember seeing ITV using a report that had been filmed and then sent via videophone before.
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I wonder if they had hoped to get it via Store and Forward but it didn't quite work in time so they decided to send it via the videophone. Store and Forward is good when it works - I would assume the BBC report from Navdip was S&F tonight - but it can be hit and miss especially in difficult conditions.