CA
Remember that those three Sky correspondents are ONLY servicing Sky News. That's it. They're free to be there every hour.
The BBC correspondents are working for other outlets ASWELL as World and News 24.
Sorry, but with regards to this particular example, I think that's a little disingenuous.
There's no reason why a) Sky managed to deploy Jeremy Thompson out there under 24 hours, and it took the BBC about five days to get Jon Sopel there; and b) why the likes of Chris Eakin, Simon McCoy (''News 24's chief on-location anchor for big breaking news stories'' -- yeah...) and, erm, I'm trying to think of a really good news anchor that News 24 have erm... it'll come... ok, well I genuinely can't think but I'm sure there is one. There's no reason why News 24 can't be doing exactly the same thing as Sky, if not better, with a dedicated presentation team in the region anchoring their coverage from there.
You can't help but feel that the ''we haven't got enough correspondents'' argument draws a little thin when at the same time you hear boasts about how many correspondents the BBC has in the region. This is continually the argument that is put across on here, and it does just make you think that perhaps if the Beeb don't have enough correspondents they shouldn't be launching news channels and news programming here there and everywhere.
News 24 cannot be bothered or lacks the initiative to put in the equivalent sort of effort that Sky have with regards to a presentation team in the region, NOT the resources.
Dog posted:
cat posted:
Sky are now introducing each hour as 'Sky News live from South East Asia'
Quite remarkable really, how well they are co-ordinating things. This hour has three presenters - Kay Burley in Sri Lanka, Julie Etchingham in Thailand, and Chris Roberts in Indonesia.
It really does eclipse the sort of thing that News 24 are providing, I'm afraid to say.
Quite remarkable really, how well they are co-ordinating things. This hour has three presenters - Kay Burley in Sri Lanka, Julie Etchingham in Thailand, and Chris Roberts in Indonesia.
It really does eclipse the sort of thing that News 24 are providing, I'm afraid to say.
Remember that those three Sky correspondents are ONLY servicing Sky News. That's it. They're free to be there every hour.
The BBC correspondents are working for other outlets ASWELL as World and News 24.
Sorry, but with regards to this particular example, I think that's a little disingenuous.
There's no reason why a) Sky managed to deploy Jeremy Thompson out there under 24 hours, and it took the BBC about five days to get Jon Sopel there; and b) why the likes of Chris Eakin, Simon McCoy (''News 24's chief on-location anchor for big breaking news stories'' -- yeah...) and, erm, I'm trying to think of a really good news anchor that News 24 have erm... it'll come... ok, well I genuinely can't think but I'm sure there is one. There's no reason why News 24 can't be doing exactly the same thing as Sky, if not better, with a dedicated presentation team in the region anchoring their coverage from there.
You can't help but feel that the ''we haven't got enough correspondents'' argument draws a little thin when at the same time you hear boasts about how many correspondents the BBC has in the region. This is continually the argument that is put across on here, and it does just make you think that perhaps if the Beeb don't have enough correspondents they shouldn't be launching news channels and news programming here there and everywhere.
News 24 cannot be bothered or lacks the initiative to put in the equivalent sort of effort that Sky have with regards to a presentation team in the region, NOT the resources.
LO
Disaster Coverage 'One of Biggest Peace-Time Operations' - PA News
"Television channels have responded to the tsunami disaster with a news operation described as one of the biggest in peace-time history.
"Sky News, the BBC, and ITV have a combined staff of over 150 people covering the story from Asia."
"Television channels have responded to the tsunami disaster with a news operation described as one of the biggest in peace-time history.
"Sky News, the BBC, and ITV have a combined staff of over 150 people covering the story from Asia."
SJ
I'm not really sure of the details of what all the news channels have been doing, but it reads on here like Sky News have been anchoring their programmes from South-East Asia. Why? Surely it's better to anchor from a studio, where a good overall world view can be given and any Breaking News on other stories can be brough efficiently, and then interview and have reports from a range of correspondents covering different parts of the affected area.
Certainly, if I was in control of a news channel I'd keep my best and most experienced anchors in London, not stick them out in one country to cover one aspect of one story.
Certainly, if I was in control of a news channel I'd keep my best and most experienced anchors in London, not stick them out in one country to cover one aspect of one story.
TI
cat,
With all due respect - for someone who has so much to say as you do, it's a pity you know very little.
The BBC is currently undergoing a massive restructure - you might have heard about it.
Currently in BBC News there are budget freezes and 15% targets on savings, year on year.
Sky sends presenters out to the region because it can afford to.
Live satellite links haemorrhage money as does paying overtime and for extra staff to come in and work longer hours and hotel accomodation on location etc. Sky can open their wallet and fork out, but can the BBC justify doing that? BBC News only gets a certain amount of money a year and when it runs out - that's it.
Is jetting plane-loads of presenters to the region the best way the BBC can spend the public's money in covering story? No.
You might be surprised to learn that television news is a little more complicated than Kay Burley standing in Phuket smiling at a camera.
But as you keep rambling on and on about presenting from the region, which does give an edge to the coverage, let's address that.
You might be surprised to know TV news is also, and perhaps more importantly, about the quality of the journalism, of the packages and the reporting.
If you look a little deeper than just where the presenter is standing, I think you'll find that the combined efforts of journalists like Jon Sopel, Lyse Doucet, John Simpson, Matt Frei, Ben Brown, Chris Hogg et al (who are all in the region) eclipse anything that Sky could ever hope to produce.
With all due respect - for someone who has so much to say as you do, it's a pity you know very little.
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There's no reason why News 24 can't be doing exactly the same thing as Sky, if not better, with a dedicated presentation team in the region anchoring their coverage from there.
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News 24 cannot be bothered or lacks the initiative to put in the equivalent sort of effort that Sky have with regards to a presentation team in the region, NOT the resources.
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News 24 cannot be bothered or lacks the initiative to put in the equivalent sort of effort that Sky have with regards to a presentation team in the region, NOT the resources.
The BBC is currently undergoing a massive restructure - you might have heard about it.
Currently in BBC News there are budget freezes and 15% targets on savings, year on year.
Sky sends presenters out to the region because it can afford to.
Live satellite links haemorrhage money as does paying overtime and for extra staff to come in and work longer hours and hotel accomodation on location etc. Sky can open their wallet and fork out, but can the BBC justify doing that? BBC News only gets a certain amount of money a year and when it runs out - that's it.
Is jetting plane-loads of presenters to the region the best way the BBC can spend the public's money in covering story? No.
You might be surprised to learn that television news is a little more complicated than Kay Burley standing in Phuket smiling at a camera.
But as you keep rambling on and on about presenting from the region, which does give an edge to the coverage, let's address that.
You might be surprised to know TV news is also, and perhaps more importantly, about the quality of the journalism, of the packages and the reporting.
If you look a little deeper than just where the presenter is standing, I think you'll find that the combined efforts of journalists like Jon Sopel, Lyse Doucet, John Simpson, Matt Frei, Ben Brown, Chris Hogg et al (who are all in the region) eclipse anything that Sky could ever hope to produce.
CA
You do misinterpret things, don't you?
Firstly, I don't think the BBC have ''eclipsed'' anyone. I think the coverage they've offered has been good, and likewise for Sky. I've found reports from the likes of Andrew Wilson, Richard Bestic, and Jeremy Thompson just as impressive as those from Matt Frei, Ben Brown, and Lyse Doucet. The latter two I cannot stand, but that's just a personal preference.
As for Jon Sopel - more 'Mopel', who looks like he's miserable at a funfair - et al, I still don't think there is an explanation (other than poor foresight) for there being a gap of about four days from when Sky managed to get its top man out there to when News 24 managed the same thing.
Were you waiting for a cheap flight on easyjet, perchance?
Firstly, I don't think the BBC have ''eclipsed'' anyone. I think the coverage they've offered has been good, and likewise for Sky. I've found reports from the likes of Andrew Wilson, Richard Bestic, and Jeremy Thompson just as impressive as those from Matt Frei, Ben Brown, and Lyse Doucet. The latter two I cannot stand, but that's just a personal preference.
As for Jon Sopel - more 'Mopel', who looks like he's miserable at a funfair - et al, I still don't think there is an explanation (other than poor foresight) for there being a gap of about four days from when Sky managed to get its top man out there to when News 24 managed the same thing.
Were you waiting for a cheap flight on easyjet, perchance?
MO
It is bad that the BBC didn't - for whatever reason - get an anchor out in the region straight away.
The arguments about keeping your best anchors in London don't wash, they have plenty to anchor from London and SE Asia. Lyse Doucet, for example, should have been established as the main anchor to do segments from location with other anchors in London.
I doubt even that the reason was money, and if it was they should be cutting other areas, not this.
No, I just think that it's poor organisation. They should have a plan for getting a main presenter to anywhere in the world at any time.
On the whole, the reporting has been top class from News 24, they just needed to get the presenters on screen from the area quicker.
The arguments about keeping your best anchors in London don't wash, they have plenty to anchor from London and SE Asia. Lyse Doucet, for example, should have been established as the main anchor to do segments from location with other anchors in London.
I doubt even that the reason was money, and if it was they should be cutting other areas, not this.
No, I just think that it's poor organisation. They should have a plan for getting a main presenter to anywhere in the world at any time.
On the whole, the reporting has been top class from News 24, they just needed to get the presenters on screen from the area quicker.
LO
Details of coverage of tomorrow's three-minute silence at 12 noon
On C4 at lunchtime Krishnan said that Channel 4 News at Noon would start early to incorporate the silence.
Times Online posted:
Sky News will interrupt its programming to observe the silence with a three-minute montage of images from Thailand, Sri Lanka, Banda Aceh, London and Sweden.
[snip]
The BBC said that television services on BBC One, BBC Two and BBC News 24 would observe the silence during a special "Asia Remembered" programme, to be broadcast from 11.30am to 12.15pm. Its radio stations will also include the three-minute tribute in normal schedules.
[snip]
The BBC said that television services on BBC One, BBC Two and BBC News 24 would observe the silence during a special "Asia Remembered" programme, to be broadcast from 11.30am to 12.15pm. Its radio stations will also include the three-minute tribute in normal schedules.
On C4 at lunchtime Krishnan said that Channel 4 News at Noon would start early to incorporate the silence.
NR
With all the discussion about ratings and who has sent whom, and who hasn't, it's worth taking a look at our own poll on the forum. It seems the BBC and Sky have been pretty level pegging since I set it up, nd regarless of whether many of us agree that the stuff put together by ITV News has been outstanding, not many of US actually turned to them for coverage.
LO
Not sure how much you can draw from the poll result - maybe there should have been an option for those of us who have been channel-hopping and watching all the channels' coverage on a fairly even basis.
News room posted:
With all the discussion about ratings and who has sent whom, and who hasn't, it's worth taking a look at our own poll on the forum. It seems the BBC and Sky have been pretty level pegging since I set it up, nd regarless of whether many of us agree that the stuff put together by ITV News has been outstanding, not many of US actually turned to them for coverage.
Not sure how much you can draw from the poll result - maybe there should have been an option for those of us who have been channel-hopping and watching all the channels' coverage on a fairly even basis.