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ASIA Disaster - Coverage & Discussion

150,000 Confirmed Dead (December 2004)

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MO
Moz
News room posted:
In the countdown to the 9pm bulletin on News 24 just now there was a BBCNews Special listed for 11pm. Are we to assume they are repeating the one already shown, or is there another to come tonight. It would seem silly to repeat a News Special, especially when the news coming out of this story is changing by the minute.

Anyone on the inside know more???

EDIT - They are repeating it twice throughout the night at 11.30 and at 0230.


The News Special wasn't shown on News 24 at 7.30 so I suppose they had to show it sometime.
LO
Londoner
Moz posted:
The News Special wasn't shown on News 24 at 7.30 so I suppose they had to show it sometime.

Why? It doesn't necessarily follow that it should be so.
OH
ohwhatanight Founding member
timmy posted:

It is why, in terms of digital satellite coverage, Sky outperforms News 24. However, when included with viewing figures from multichannel homes, News24 outperforms Sky News.

All of the numbers I have provided match what is on the BBC's intranet and instead of accusing me of being misleading you might want to check again.


Im sure it has been mentioned over the last year (possibly in broadcast magazine and/or digital spy) that ITV News Channel actually out-performed both BBC News 24 and SKY¦News on the DTT platform. I have no access to figures but i remember some figures being quoted when it was originally mentioned a few months back.

Obviously all that good work that has been done to attract viewers to watch ITVNC has now vanished due to not being broadcast on DTT anymore!

Shame really!
CA
cat
If your information is so watertight, what on Earth are you being so thin-skinned about, for heaven's sake? I wasn't accusing you of anything, I was saying that I didn't think the numbers were adding up, but having re-read the information, they clearly do.

My God there is a lot of bitterness around here. People need to stop taking things so seriously and going off on some sort of personal war whenever they are questioned.

ON THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD: I notice Sky News are now advertising and linking to the earthquake appeal donation service that is being provided by Sky Active via the Community Channel.
LU
Luke
ohwhatanight posted:
Im sure it has been mentioned over the last year (possibly in broadcast magazine and/or digital spy) that ITV News Channel actually out-performed both BBC News 24 and SKY¦News on the DTT platform. I have no access to figures but i remember some figures being quoted when it was originally mentioned a few months back.


It was getting higher ratings than Sky - not News 24.
SN
Snu
timmy posted:
Quote:
I should rephrase that, its not the discussion of ratings thats perhaps is inappropriate but more the use of figures as illustrated in Timmy's post to make a point. He's always trying to rubbish a particular news outlet, but to use the ratings of one of the most terrible events to occur in centurys makes me feel a little blahhh.


Snu, with the greatest of respect mate - get a life.

No-one is denying that the events in central Asia are sad and devastating beyond comprehension but there's nothing tasteless in comparing news channels' coverage of events. If we're comparing graphics, presenters and presentation then why shouldn't we compare ratings?

I am certainly not trying to rubbish Sky News - I have great respect for it. But I do get very irritated when people take swipes at the BBC and then hold up Sky News as the model of how things should be done. Sky News is a very long way from an excellent example and it's frustrating that not enough people realise that.
When last did you ever hear someone stand up for the BBC?

Finally - BARB figures are published in summary on their website and are constantly used by the media (patricularly Sky News and Media Guardian). I'm not aware they're confidential - perhaps someone could enlighten me.

Actually speaking of Sky using Barb figures, I see their publicity website Sky News Audience Figures hasn't been updated with the latest figures (they're stuck in September) which has since constantly put News 24 ahead of Sky.


Discussing ratings within the context of this forum is fine as this is a presentation forum that lends itself to that discussion. However, I base my criticism of your post on previous posts you have made on this forum exploiting every opportunity to rubbish other news outlets in favour of the BBC. My own personal view of which it remains my own personal view for you to do with as you please, is that this particular subject should not lend it self to the usual one up man ship that can exist on these threads when comparing news channel coverage.

I guess what I am saying is that you can present those kinds of statistics without sounding quite so inappropriately smug.

Anyhow, I agree with cat, this subject is becoming a bit personal, so shall we remain on topic?

I noted on Sky News earlier that they are asking people to contact them for some kind of documentary in the reuniting of people from this crisis.
CA
cat
timmy posted:
And Sky's ticker, that some of you glowingly praise, is quite preposterous.
Such a huge disaster where, up to 70,000 are dead and millions left homeless, and Sky "first with international breaking news!" is running a ticker on screen that says "Tom & Jane from Harrow are safe - John from Birmingham is okay" et al.

Messages are also left on Sky's website and the BBC's website too, and there is a number at the Foreign Office where concerned families can phone so tell me how, at all, this ridiculous idea helps.

It's all Sky spin, that is; "fill the screen with as much lego-like graphics as possible, send presenters to locations which no-one on the channel can pronounce and - as in the tradition of Murdoch-style tabloid - always make the global disaster a local one, and voila! everyone thinks we're the best."


This would be the same stupid, Murdoch-style, preposterous, tabloid idea that News 24 are now copying on their ticker... a couple of days after Sky.

As ever, ahead of the game.

Notice Sky have produced their own disaster appeal video, with Jeremy Thompson in Thailand. Not sure whether it has gone out on other channels (imagine only BSkyB ones) but they're showing it quite regularly.
JO
Johnnie
cat posted:
Notice Sky have produced their own disaster appeal video, with Jeremy Thompson in Thailand. Not sure whether it has gone out on other channels (imagine only BSkyB ones) but they're showing it quite regularly.


Trevor Mcdonald has done one for ITV, I would imagine the BBC have or will also produce an appeal.
FYI, Skys appeal video is being played at 53 mintues pass the hour.
WI
william Founding member
cat posted:
timmy posted:
And Sky's ticker, that some of you glowingly praise, is quite preposterous.
Such a huge disaster where, up to 70,000 are dead and millions left homeless, and Sky "first with international breaking news!" is running a ticker on screen that says "Tom & Jane from Harrow are safe - John from Birmingham is okay" et al.

Messages are also left on Sky's website and the BBC's website too, and there is a number at the Foreign Office where concerned families can phone so tell me how, at all, this ridiculous idea helps.

It's all Sky spin, that is; "fill the screen with as much lego-like graphics as possible, send presenters to locations which no-one on the channel can pronounce and - as in the tradition of Murdoch-style tabloid - always make the global disaster a local one, and voila! everyone thinks we're the best."


This would be the same stupid, Murdoch-style, preposterous, tabloid idea that News 24 are now copying on their ticker... a couple of days after Sky.

As ever, ahead of the game.

Notice Sky have produced their own disaster appeal video, with Jeremy Thompson in Thailand. Not sure whether it has gone out on other channels (imagine only BSkyB ones) but they're showing it quite regularly.


Think it works rather better now Sky have changed it to just list people who are safe and well, and also provided a full page on the website. I wish they'd use sentence case on that ticker though, rather than full caps (and everywhere else for that matter).

Haven't seen it yet, but I imagine Jeremy Thompson speaking from Thailand is rather more compelling than David Dimbleby suited and perched in a studio gallery..
MA
marksi
I's ask at this point if you could take a little break from this discussion, and take yourselves and your wallets off to the Disasters Emergency Committee website where you can make a donation to help those affected. If you prefer to make a donation via telephone, the number is 0870 60 60 900.

Mark.
JA
Jakarta
william posted:
Haven't seen it yet, but I imagine Jeremy Thompson speaking from Thailand is rather more compelling than David Dimbleby suited and perched in a studio gallery..


Surely the scale of the disaster is enough to make the appeal compelling, location and clothing of the broadcaster has little to no bearing on the matter. Does the fact Thompson is in Phuket make you more likely to donate than having Dimbleby in London? I hope for the sake of the estimated 500million people left without the three basic essentials for life that you have more sense then that.

So far IMHO I think most the news channels have done an amazing job of covering the tsunamis considering the time of year and the sheer size of the area affected. I am beginning to wonder if the reporting we are seeing hour after hour on the UK networks and even CNNi is a watershed for the future considering the often graphic nature of the reports particularly from such places as Banda Aceh and Phuket where I have seen many reports that at times show days old decomposing bodies which ordinarily is never shown on Western media.

On the issue of having 'big wigs' in the countries hit we should not forget that this is a story that will run for a long time, firstly as the initial death toll rises further, followed by the deaths caused by disease and exposure which is believed will equal the lives lost from the waves and thirdly the international aid efforts to the region and subsequently such things as the economic and political consequences of the disaster. So all things considered does it really matter where the newsreaders of BBC News 24, Sky News and the ITV NC are.
:-(
A former member
Ir was mentioned on ITV news tonight that the earthquake tremors were felt 5000 miles away here in the UK - is this true and how bad were the tremors?

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