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Cando1,247 posts since 8 Mar 2012
London London
I would like to see the BBC vanish and I am not right-ring. I just feel the BBC think they should have everything and they take the viewers for granted.


What do you mean by "think they should have everything" and how do you feel they "take the viewers for granted"?


I wouldn't bother trying to get reason or sense from Ben Shatliff.
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noggin12,173 posts since 26 Jun 2001
I think Newsnight is looking increasingly vulnerable. Not saying it will disappear, but if it did, I don't think it would be a huge surprise. It's a shadow of its former self.

If the BBC continue to have reduced resources year-on-year, difficult decisions will need to be taken about 'flagship' shows.
Square Eyes7,156 posts since 31 Mar 2001
Maybe Newsnight should be rolled into the longer, more analytical BBC News at Ten that appears to be on the cards.

They could then free up the 10:30pm slot for BBC Three type programming on Two.
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newsman1482 posts since 21 Jan 2013
UTV Newsline

The extreme right wing would love nothing more than the BBC to disappear. Even the Conservatives would love to have the BBC hamstrung, much like PBS is in the US. If there's one thing I've learned in 25 years around the media, it's never say never.

People didn't expect Thames or TV-am to lose their licences back in 1991, but it happened. Channel 4 was not expected to ever be privatised, but it is on the agenda for this government. The BBC shouldn't be dismantled, but the right wing would love nothing more than to see it disappear. Vigilance is required.

The Tories know that there would be a public outcry if the BBC disappeared.

TV-am and Thames losing their licences is not the same thing. After all, there was still a breakfast programme on Channel 3 after TV-am lost its licence and, after Thames lost its licence, viewers in that area still got to see ITN, regional news, sport, soaps etc.
newsman1482 posts since 21 Jan 2013
UTV Newsline

At the same time, it does show that ITV News is at best apprehensive about promoting internally - see Chris Ship - and at worst just stealing BBC talent, an easy option .

The defection of BBC journalists to ITN is nothing new. After all, Trevor McDonald, Mark Austin, Julia Somerville, Nicholas Owen and John Sergeant were at the BBC before they started at ITN (though Julia and Nicholas returned to the BBC many years afterwards).

Don't forget that many ITN journalists defected to the BBC, e.g. the late Sue Lloyd-Roberts, Lucy Manning, Jonathan Munro.
London Lite7,268 posts since 4 Jan 2003
London London

At the same time, it does show that ITV News is at best apprehensive about promoting internally - see Chris Ship - and at worst just stealing BBC talent, an easy option .

The defection of BBC journalists to ITN is nothing new. After all, Trevor McDonald, Mark Austin, Julia Somerville, Nicholas Owen and John Sergeant were at the BBC before they started at ITN (though Julia and Nicholas returned to the BBC many years afterwards).

Don't forget that many ITN journalists defected to the BBC, e.g. the late Sue Lloyd-Roberts, Lucy Manning, Jonathan Munro.


And they return. Laura Kuennsberg spent a few years at the GiN trenches before returning as political editor.
newsman1482 posts since 21 Jan 2013
UTV Newsline

At the same time, it does show that ITV News is at best apprehensive about promoting internally - see Chris Ship - and at worst just stealing BBC talent, an easy option .

The defection of BBC journalists to ITN is nothing new. After all, Trevor McDonald, Mark Austin, Julia Somerville, Nicholas Owen and John Sergeant were at the BBC before they started at ITN (though Julia and Nicholas returned to the BBC many years afterwards).

Don't forget that many ITN journalists defected to the BBC, e.g. the late Sue Lloyd-Roberts, Lucy Manning, Jonathan Munro.


And they return. Laura Kuennsberg spent a few years at the GiN trenches before returning as political editor.

I mentioned two former BBC journalists who returned after being in ITN. I didn't mention Laura because she left the BBC for only a year.

By the way, is "GiN" a reference to Gray's Inn Road, which is ITN's location?
noggin12,173 posts since 26 Jun 2001

At the same time, it does show that ITV News is at best apprehensive about promoting internally - see Chris Ship - and at worst just stealing BBC talent, an easy option .

The defection of BBC journalists to ITN is nothing new. After all, Trevor McDonald, Mark Austin, Julia Somerville, Nicholas Owen and John Sergeant were at the BBC before they started at ITN (though Julia and Nicholas returned to the BBC many years afterwards).

Don't forget that many ITN journalists defected to the BBC, e.g. the late Sue Lloyd-Roberts, Lucy Manning, Jonathan Munro.


And they return. Laura Kuennsberg spent a few years at the GiN trenches before returning as political editor.


Ditto Nick Robinson.
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pip2167 posts since 14 Mar 2012
Meridian (South) South East Today
Is starting to feel like a flight for money. The BBC seems unable to retain great people because o f how the commercial media, and the Government are trying to dismantle it. It may make sense for the individuals, but it is a blow to the BBC.

You're being overdramatic. The BBC will never disappear.


The extreme right wing would love nothing more than the BBC to disappear. Even the Conservatives would love to have the BBC hamstrung, much like PBS is in the US. If there's one thing I've learned in 25 years around the media, it's never say never.

People didn't expect Thames or TV-am to lose their licences back in 1991, but it happened. Channel 4 was not expected to ever be privatised, but it is on the agenda for this government. The BBC shouldn't be dismantled, but the right wing would love nothing more than to see it disappear. Vigilance is required.



I would like to see the BBC vanish and I am not right-ring. I just feel the BBC think they should have everything and they take the viewers for granted.



Izzy whizzy Ben, best get busy then, (delete BBC apps from your devices, BBC channels from the EPG on your TV, and don't visit bbc.co.uk) Hey presto! You're living the dream.
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excel991,391 posts since 3 Jan 2009
Yorkshire Look North (E.Yorks & Lincs)
It'll be interesting to see how Newsnight fills the political editor position - and whether they try to lure a well established broadcaster (like Cathy Newman) by merging the position with Laura Kuenssberg's former remit (I.e. Presenting slots). My money would be on Isabel Hardman of the Spectator (if they can persuade her) for an external hire, or a BBC correspondent like Jo Coburn or Vicky Young for an internal one. Anyone have different ideas?

Emily Maitlis?
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