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9/11: Fifteenth Anniversary

(September 2016)

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VM
VMPhil
As mentioned, there isn't a great deal of the early BBC One/News 24 coverage available online, but there are many clips (without graphics and with ambient background music, presumably to reassure you that it's not live) on this BBC Choice documentary which was shown on the first anniversary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irSApCfiyWE

Thanks, I've seen this before but I've read that it's heavily edited and features a lot of shots that weren't actually used by News 24 on the day?
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
I seem to remember the Sky News footage of 9/11 had to have its graphics recreated for on-demand.

I'm the person who deals with our "Vault" content for On Demand. If you mean that we mocked up how the on-screen furniture used to look back then, that's actually not the case.

What was done was that we dug out the summary VT from that night's output and overlaid onto it modern name and context straps. I say "modern", but they're actually of the style from before the last refresh, whereas all the stories that were chosen for 2015 are of the current style.


Sorry, that was my fault, I was actually referring to the graphics on the four hour "studio output" video above, (without the clock), not the report on the Vault section of On-Demand. My bad.

I do appreciate The Vault though. Great job. Smile
SK
Skygeek
I seem to remember the Sky News footage of 9/11 had to have its graphics recreated for on-demand.

I'm the person who deals with our "Vault" content for On Demand. If you mean that we mocked up how the on-screen furniture used to look back then, that's actually not the case.

What was done was that we dug out the summary VT from that night's output and overlaid onto it modern name and context straps. I say "modern", but they're actually of the style from before the last refresh, whereas all the stories that were chosen for 2015 are of the current style.


Sorry, that was my fault, I was actually referring to the graphics on the four hour "studio output" video above, (without the clock), not the report on the Vault section of On-Demand. My bad.

I do appreciate The Vault though. Great job. Smile

I'm not sure how that came about, to be honest. Certainly hasn't been undertaken in the three years I've been with On Demand at Sky. Really glad you like "The Vault", though!
JA
james-2001
I don't really know either, watching the video posted on the first page it certainly looks like the original graphics to me, just without the Sky News logo & clock (which is presumably how the output was recorded).

Clearly someone assumed that it was only a graphics-free "clean feed" that was recorded and the on-screen graphics had to be recreated. Though I really don't know why people think they'd go to so much effort to recreate them so exactly, especially for a web/red button stream most people wouldn't even see. Any "differences" there seem to be in the graphics between the 4 hours Sky video at the top of the frist page, and the 10-minute VHS off-air recording further down seem like they can be explained with VHS & encoding artifacts, as well as the Sky video being stretched to 16:9.
WW
WW Update
I don't really know either, watching the video posted on the first page it certainly looks like the original graphics to me, just without the Sky News logo & clock (which is presumably how the output was recorded).


Besides, the clock is absent from the international feed, so it wouldn't have been seen if someone happened to record the channel outside the UK.
MA
Maaixuew
BBC Newsnight from Sept. 11 2001:



British TV coverage taken from Sky:



BBC 8:54-9:08:



9:46-9:56 EST:



9:56-10:06 EST:



10:06-10:16 EST:



10:16-10:26 EST:



10:26-10:36 EST:



3 minutes silence 3 days later...



How Scotland reflected after the terrorist attacks

Last edited by Maaixuew on 12 September 2016 9:29pm
JU
Justin
As mentioned, there isn't a great deal of the early BBC One/News 24 coverage available online, but there are many clips (without graphics and with ambient background music, presumably to reassure you that it's not live) on this BBC Choice documentary which was shown on the first anniversary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irSApCfiyWE

Thanks, I've seen this before but I've read that it's heavily edited and features a lot of shots that weren't actually used by News 24 on the day?

Basically every camera angle you see, has been added afterwards. I believe at the time, they were showing the same ABC affiliate shot that BBC World had been using.
IS
Inspector Sands
As mentioned, there isn't a great deal of the early BBC One/News 24 coverage available online, but there are many clips (without graphics and with ambient background music, presumably to reassure you that it's not live) on this BBC Choice documentary which was shown on the first anniversary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irSApCfiyWE

Thanks, I've seen this before but I've read that it's heavily edited and features a lot of shots that weren't actually used by News 24 on the day?

Basically every camera angle you see, has been added afterwards. I believe at the time, they were showing the same ABC affiliate shot that BBC World had been using.

Presumably due to rights issues with the footage....


On the day itself it was pretty much a free-for-all in terms of what was shown. The various US outlets were all using each other's live shots and footage, whether this was by informal arrangement or an attitude of 'we'll use it now and sort it out later' I'm not sure. However that meant that a lot of the material that ended up on the BBC (and other channels) wasn't what they'd ordinarily be able to use.

I seem to remember that the 'agreement' stopped a few days afterwards. So from then on everyone had to stop using anything they weren't entitled to. I worked in a BBC regional newsroom at the time and a week or so afterwards BBC News sent over a tape of usable footage of the attacks (presumably all or mostly ABC material) because we couldn't really risk using anything we'd recorded off News 24 or used in the bulletins on the day.

That will be why the shots used on the documentary weren't the same as what was seen on 11/9/2001
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 13 September 2016 9:21am - 3 times in total
:-(
A former member
I take it Sky can still use Fox channel stuff? I think ITV can still use NBc stuff?
IS
Inspector Sands
I take it Sky can still use Fox channel stuff? I think ITV can still use NBc stuff?

I'm not sure who ITN have a deal with, probably NBC and/or CNN

In general rights aren't quite as simple as just one on one deals though, all the news broadcasters subscribe to agencies like Reuters and APTN so can use material from their affiliates, sometimes with archive rights. So for example (and I don't know if this is specifically the case) AP might use content from CBS and so, as long as there's no specific restriction, ITN and the BBC who are subscribers to AP might use it legitamately
:-(
A former member
Surely it works both ways, bbc and itv have content linked to the london bombings or juat recently nice. Its better share to get it both way.
IS
Inspector Sands
Surely it works both ways, bbc and itv have content linked to the london bombings or juat recently nice. Its better share to get it both way.

I'm not sure I understand, but yes, with all these deals they contribute material as well as take it
(although you won't find the BBC, ITN or Sky using each other's material via an agency like AP... that's where the restrictions come in)

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