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9/11 Anniversary Coverage

(September 2011)

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IS
Inspector Sands
How common is it for BBC and Sky just to record the Clean feeds coming in from places: In this case the USA? I have to ask where along the lines do there slip in the On screens captions? DO There do this to make sure the recorded copy is pure and clean?

All TV news broadcasters will record a clean of their output, and hang on to some or all of it for a while, if not forever. The archive recordings of BBC and ITV bulletins are kept and they will be 'clean'.

For operational purposes there is no point in keeping anything except a clean, there's nothing you can do with a recording including captions, logos and tickers except watch it. Of course an off air, normally low quality, will be kept for a few months for Ofcom 'compliance' reasons and the BBC keep off-airs for a similar amount of time I think. There's a few exceptions, I remember BBC World used to record it's 'dirty' output on an hourly loop so that if there were problems they had a copy of the last hour to broadcast.

Feeds from other countries is a different case though, if they come in 'clean' then of course they'll be clean on air and in the archive if kept (the channel might not be allowed to use it for more than 24 hours). But when a big news story breaks channels will often just record another off-air in which case of course that won't be clean and on the 'clean' recording of a new programme it will appear as it came in.... you can put captions back on but you can't take them off!
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 11 September 2011 2:30am
IT
itsrobert Founding member
How common is it for BBC and Sky just to record the Clean feeds coming in from places: In this case the USA? I have to ask where along the lines do there slip in the On screens captions? DO There do this to make sure the recorded copy is pure and clean?

All TV news broadcasters will record a clean of their output, and hang on to some or all of it for a while, if not forever. The archive recordings of BBC and ITV bulletins are kept and they will be 'clean'.

For operational purposes there is no point in keeping anything except a clean, there's nothing you can do with a recording including captions, logos and tickers except watch it. Of course an off air, normally low quality, will be kept for a few months for Ofcom 'compliance' reasons and the BBC keep off-airs for a similar amount of time I think. There's a few exceptions, I remember BBC World used to record it's 'dirty' output on an hourly loop so that if there were problems they had a copy of the last hour to broadcast.

Feeds from other countries is a different case though, if they come in 'clean' then of course they'll be clean on air and in the archive if kept (the channel might not be allowed to use it for more than 24 hours). But when a big news story breaks channels will often just record another off-air in which case of course that won't be clean and on the 'clean' recording of a new programme it will appear as it came in.... you can put captions back on but you can't take them off!


Are you sure that the likes of the BBC and ITN don't keep copies of 'Programmes As Broadcast'? The NewsFilm Online website has full ITN bulletins complete with all captions dating right back to 1987.
FO
fox1


Ten News at Five - Ten anchors Sandra Sully and Deborah Knight and former US correspondent Michelle Stone give revealing, personal reflections of Ten's breaking September 11 coverage. Ten was first to bring live, rolling coverage of the attacks to Australia.


Ten Late Night News w/Sandra Sully - A small portion of Ten's 24-hour breaking coverage of September 11 2001
Last edited by fox1 on 12 September 2011 3:49am - 2 times in total
LO
Londoner
does this mean only SKY news and BBC news 24 broadcast the second plane hitting the tower "Live"?

There was the ITN News Channel too at the time, I've not idea if they showed it live


Leyla Daybelge was presenting on the ITN News Channel that afternoon.
Quote:
The first moments of the story broke on the digital channels. Sky was the first British broadcaster to report that the World Trade Centre had been hit, seven minutes after it happened. At ITN's fledgling 24-hour news channel presenter, Leyla Daybelge was soon speaking over NBC pictures of the first burning tower. While on-air, she saw the second plane hit, and reported it. It was the first firm indication on British television that a terrorist attack was happening.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/the-biggest-story-in-decades-how-did-tv-news-measure-up-669421.html
GM
Gary McEwan
Very impressed with NBC's coverage of today's services. Only downside is that stupid CNBC Logo in the top right of the screen.
AC
aconnell
Has anyone else noticed that on Sky, Fox News and NDTV, I.e. the channels on the News Pack on Sky, are all FTA at the moment?

Is this permanent, accidental or what?
DA
David
Has anyone else noticed that on Sky, Fox News and NDTV, I.e. the channels on the News Pack on Sky, are all FTA at the moment?

Is this permanent, accidental or what?


Packages changed a bit on 1st September(I think). I still don't have Fox or NDTV but I do now get TCM and TV5 to name two.
GM
Gary McEwan
I'm not getting FOX or NDTV either, I'm surprised at Sky for not unencrypting FOX News though or any news channel for that matter on a day like today.
AC
aconnell
I'm not getting FOX or NDTV either, I'm surprised at Sky for not unencrypting FOX News though or any news channel for that matter on a day like today.


That's what I thought. They might make it FTA in the days and during 9/11. Also discovered I'm getting Children's channels and documentary channels. Watching CNBC coverage at the moment.
:-(
A former member
Has anyone else noticed that on Sky, Fox News and NDTV, I.e. the channels on the News Pack on Sky, are all FTA at the moment?

Is this permanent, accidental or what?


Are you telling lies, because I don't have them free - and other people don't.
JV
James Vertigan Founding member
Sky News are showing a recording of their coverage from 2001 behind one of the streams on the red button.
JA
james
Has anyone else noticed that on Sky, Fox News and NDTV, I.e. the channels on the News Pack on Sky, are all FTA at the moment?

Is this permanent, accidental or what?


Are you telling lies, because I don't have them free - and other people don't.


They are not FTA.

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