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One week today BBC3's main news programme ends, I notice that it gets a mention in the Radio Times next Friday. They seem to be a bit more light-hearted these last few days, have loved the clips taking the mickey out of President Bush!
I never saw the government's point in insisting it was there, anyway.
What's the point of a news programme on a channel that's only available on digital in any case? If you've got digital and want news, there are plenty of 24 hour channels to switch over to.
BBC Three should stick to being a general entertainment channel and not try to half-heartedly do news.
This makes a dangerous assumption, that a 24 hour news channel does the same type of news that a programme such as The Seven C'Clock News does, and I can tell you now, that simply isn't the case. A 24 hour news channel is basically rolling news. They might be like the ITN News Channel used to be and cycle every 15 or 30 minutes, or they might be like most news channels these days, which basically cycle every 60 minutes, with the option to go to a breaking news style, which basically throws away the cycle for a while, and follows a story non-stop.
The Seven O'Clock News, was much like it's counterparts on BBC4 and BBC1. A half hour summary of the news, with [usually] no breaking news elements at all, unless it is a really major story.
I've seen demand for different types of news. There's a demand for 24 hour rolling news, there's a demand for the traditional longer summaries, and there's also demand for regular short summaries of news. Radio does these short summaries by the ton and has almost made it their own. However, I see no reason why TV hasn't been able to do the same, anywhere near as successfully as radio has done.
I never saw the government's point in insisting it was there, anyway.
What's the point of a news programme on a channel that's only available on digital in any case? If you've got digital and want news, there are plenty of 24 hour channels to switch over to.
BBC Three should stick to being a general entertainment channel and not try to half-heartedly do news.
I'm posting this to put the other point of view. Would you Nick not have news on say Radio One because there is 5 Live? Newsbeat does something different for its audience and that's what it was hoped BBC Three News did. it is true that audience figures at the moment are higher than before. Also does everyone want the News 24 style of news. Surely just as there is a place for Newsnight which is more high brow could there not be a place for a more relaxed form of news. The way BBC Three News has developed has gone more down that road (perhaps part of its problem was originally it tried to do all of the news just like the other channels) and is now more of a Newsnight type show which can ignore some stories that it doesn't think relevant.
As to the remark about short TV summaries - again BBC Three has always had 60seconds which is just that ... you can tune in get the headlines and if you want more you can go elsewhere whether than be N24 or Online.
I'm posting this to put the other point of view. Would you Nick not have news on say Radio One because there is 5 Live? Newsbeat does something different for its audience and that's what it was hoped BBC Three News did. it is true that audience figures at the moment are higher than before. Also does everyone want the News 24 style of news. Surely just as there is a place for Newsnight which is more high brow could there not be a place for a more relaxed form of news. The way BBC Three News has developed has gone more down that road (perhaps part of its problem was originally it tried to do all of the news just like the other channels) and is now more of a Newsnight type show which can ignore some stories that it doesn't think relevant.
I take your point, but feel that as we progress into a time with more and more channels on both radio and television, more and more specialisation ought to occur.
No, I wouldn't have news on Radio 1 and would leave it to Five Live, but I WOULD want some of Five Live's output time dedicated to a Newsbeat style of programme.
Similarly, why can't some of News 24's time be used for programmes of the styles of both Newsnight and the Seven off BBC Three?
I'm very much in favour of keeping the genres correct on specialist channels, but there's no need to keep the styles exactly the same right around the clock.
To specifically take the Newsbeat example, I always feel that a news programme on a music station sticks out like a sore thumb far more than a light-hearted news segment would on a (normally) more serious news station.
I'm posting this to put the other point of view. Would you Nick not have news on say Radio One because there is 5 Live? Newsbeat does something different for its audience and that's what it was hoped BBC Three News did. it is true that audience figures at the moment are higher than before. Also does everyone want the News 24 style of news. Surely just as there is a place for Newsnight which is more high brow could there not be a place for a more relaxed form of news. The way BBC Three News has developed has gone more down that road (perhaps part of its problem was originally it tried to do all of the news just like the other channels) and is now more of a Newsnight type show which can ignore some stories that it doesn't think relevant.
I take your point, but feel that as we progress into a time with more and more channels on both radio and television, more and more specialisation ought to occur.
No, I wouldn't have news on Radio 1 and would leave it to Five Live, but I WOULD want some of Five Live's output time dedicated to a Newsbeat style of programme.
Similarly, why can't some of News 24's time be used for programmes of the styles of both Newsnight and the Seven off BBC Three?
I'm very much in favour of keeping the genres correct on specialist channels, but there's no need to keep the styles exactly the same right around the clock.
To specifically take the Newsbeat example, I always feel that a news programme on a music station sticks out like a sore thumb far more than a light-hearted news segment would on a (normally) more serious news station.
I'm not so sure N24 can do that, Nick.
As we all know N24 is rapidly turing into News 16 - there are already many specialist programmes (and indeed through the night) such as Click, WBR etc. So by having these bulletins available on other channels there's a choice... you can either have popular news, or breaking news, similarly with The World.
I'm posting this to put the other point of view. Would you Nick not have news on say Radio One because there is 5 Live? Newsbeat does something different for its audience and that's what it was hoped BBC Three News did. it is true that audience figures at the moment are higher than before. Also does everyone want the News 24 style of news. Surely just as there is a place for Newsnight which is more high brow could there not be a place for a more relaxed form of news. The way BBC Three News has developed has gone more down that road (perhaps part of its problem was originally it tried to do all of the news just like the other channels) and is now more of a Newsnight type show which can ignore some stories that it doesn't think relevant.
I take your point, but feel that as we progress into a time with more and more channels on both radio and television, more and more specialisation ought to occur.
No, I wouldn't have news on Radio 1 and would leave it to Five Live, but I WOULD want some of Five Live's output time dedicated to a Newsbeat style of programme.
Similarly, why can't some of News 24's time be used for programmes of the styles of both Newsnight and the Seven off BBC Three?
I'm very much in favour of keeping the genres correct on specialist channels, but there's no need to keep the styles exactly the same right around the clock.
To specifically take the Newsbeat example, I always feel that a news programme on a music station sticks out like a sore thumb far more than a light-hearted news segment would on a (normally) more serious news station.
I can see your point would make sense in isolation Nick - but in reality News 24 isn't going to segregate into a news channel with output ranging from Newsround via BBC Three through BBC One to Newsnight. News 24 will continue to be a continuous News channel.
News targeted at specific, rather than general, audience groups will continue, albeit in reduced form, on the genre specific channels.
Newsround on CBBC, The World on BBC Four, 60 Seconds (but sadly no Seven) on BBC Three, Newsnight on BBC Two, and the One/Six/Ten on BBC One, with News 24 and Parliament providing continuous services. (I think that only leaves CBeebies news-free?...)
Until the BBC general channels become more genre specific and less general, I think they will all require, to a greater or lesser extent, customised news output for their audience. The irony for BBC Three is that the channel never wanted the news bulletin (it was added after the original licence failed to be granted because it was too commercial...), and it was always in the deadest slot (apart from the fortnight of 2030 transmissions, where it got decent audience ratings)...
Just as a radio channel carrying output from Newsbeat via FiveLive to Today is unlikely to generate a coherent audience, a news channel like News 24 wouldn't in the current market in such a disparate manner.
"I just wanted to say thanks to everyone out there who's watched and emailed into the Seven O'Clock News on BBC Three over the past two-and-a-half-years. It's ending today, which is sad, but we've had a great time making the programme, and we hope you've enjoyed it too. You can still get regular news updates from our 60second bulletins, liberally peppered throughout the BBC Three schedule. But for now, goodbye - and thanks."
A fitting (if slightly self-indulgent) final show.
The high-points:
- the pre-prepared packages showing the the best and worst bits of the 7oclock news/the news show over the last three years.
- some of the well written autocue jokes- especially taking the p!ss of the DCMS committee for insisting BBC Three news existed, before calling it a waste of money.
- the pre-prepared package stopping people on the street who didn't have a clue the programme existed.
- the face surgery report- an example of why this show generally worked so well. Very different but very informative. Plus of course the brilliant round the world's news sources that is now seen elsewhere- pioneered on BBC Three.
The lows:
- the "bye-bye BBC Three news" took too long....far too drawn out. It would have been more poignant and memorable if it had been shorter.
- the previous presenters giggling fits (presumably alcohol induced) that just made them look a bit thick at being unable to put together a coherent answer without preparation.
The surprise:
- Eddie Mair's seemingly candid statement about thinking they should have been a more serious news show. I was surprised anyway.
I really think there is a future in this kind of show, but it's a shame that it hasn't worked out for the team that, in my opinion, put together a show that is far more intelligent and informative than BBC One's flagship 6 O'clock news.
Its sad to see it go. But im sure BBC Three with bring us some new show, proberly similar to 7 O Clock News, new set, titles and new time/name, slightly more newsy reports ,as BBC three have sofar axed all there remotely laid back/showbizy news shows .
Its sad to see it go. But im sure BBC Three with bring us some new show, proberly similar to 7 O Clock News, new set, titles and new time/name, slightly more newsy reports ,as BBC three have sofar axed all there remotely laid back/showbizy news shows .
If you're sure, you're stupid.
It has been axed for a reason- a handful of people watch it.
It (or anything like it) ain't coming back for a hell of long time.