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2015 Election and the Leaders Debates

For discussion of the Leaders Interviews and Debates on the BBC, ITV, Sky News/Channel 4. (October 2014)

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Steve in Pudsey
Frankly the debates are undemocratic, putting the idea into people's heads that they only have 3 or 4 choices. That disadvantages both the smaller parties but also independent candidates who are standing primarily on local issues.

On the basis that we elect an individual local candidate not the party leader, there's an argument that the debates should be regional rather than national.
Londoner and Brekkie gave kudos
SE
Square Eyes Founding member

On the basis that we elect an individual local candidate not the party leader, there's an argument that the debates should be regional rather than national.


This could be where Local TV comes into its own. But probably won't.
DO
dosxuk

On the basis that we elect an individual local candidate not the party leader, there's an argument that the debates should be regional rather than national.


This could be where Local TV comes into its own. But probably won't.


The thought of it brings me out in a fit of giggles Laughing
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A former member
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/15/cameron-tv-debates-green-party-lord-ashdown

Lord Ashdown said David Cameron will try to “mess up” the proposed party leader TV debates by including the Green party, with the former Lib Dem leader rejecting a head-to-head between the prime minister and Ed Miliband as unfair to Nick Clegg.

Ashdown, the Lib Dem campaign manager, said Cameron would do all he could to avoid going head-to-head with Ukip leader Nigel Farage, included in the debates for the first time in plans published by broadcasters on Monday.

“I know exactly what Cameron will do, he’ll say we will do it but the Greens have got to be in it. He’ll try to make a mess – I’m not saying the Greens are a mess – but too many participants will make it a mess,” Ashdown told the Radio Festival in Salford on Wednesday.

“Cameron doesn’t want to face up to Farage because he thinks it will confer votes and authority on Farage – I think he’s wrong by the way – he will not want to do this, he will want to find any excuse not to do it.”

However, Ashdown took issue with one of the three proposed debates, which would be anchored by Jeremy Paxman and broadcast by Channel 4 and Sky News, in which Cameron and Miliband would face off without Clegg.

“My view is the Lib Dems need to be in, you can’t let Cameron and Miliband have a free hit on the Lib Dems without Nick Clegg there,” said Ashdown. “This is about the record of the government and you can’t not have one of the parties represented. It is a free hit for the other two.”

He praised the broadcasters for coming up with the plan, which has prompted the Green party to consider legal action over their exclusion, saying he was “delighted they had stepped in. The alternative was us politicians would try to sort it out and we would make it a mess”.

Ashdown said the debates, which took place for the first time in 2010, “had to happen. If it happens for a second time it becomes a permanent part of British democracy”.

Ashdown, who appeared at the festival to talk about LBC’s Call Clegg programme with its host, Nick Ferrari, said the real Clegg was the opposite of the public’s perception of the deputy prime minister, blaming the right wing press for “dumping 23 buckets of **** over him every month”.

Earlier, Ashdown had said Lib Dem advisers had told Clegg not to do the weekly phone-in show. “There were those who said ‘I’m not sure, this is putting you really at risk,’” said Ashdown. But he said Clegg thought it was “absolutely the right thing to do”.

Ashdown joked Clegg “should be prime minister but the ******* won’t vote for him”.

Ferrari revealed that all efforts to get Ed Miliband on an LBC phone-in show had failed. “We have got Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Nick Clegg, I have done everything possible. I don’t know,” he said.

Ashdown said: “They must be frightened not of you but of the revealing moment [with a caller]. The truth is the public don’t trust us
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globaltraffic24
I'm guessing Paddy hasn't watched Danish political debates!

http://youtu.be/ninGXqTHAXk
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noggin Founding member
I'm guessing Paddy hasn't watched Danish political debates!

http://youtu.be/ninGXqTHAXk


Or those in Sweden. The recent Swedish election campaign TV coverage routinely had 8-way debates for both leaders and other party spokespeople.
WW
WW Update
Such multi-participant debates are common throughout Europe. This is how they look in Slovenia, for instance:

http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/09/25/65146327_soocenje.jpg
Image: rtvslo.si
Last edited by WW Update on 16 October 2014 1:20am
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Square Eyes Founding member
Such multi-participant debates are common throughout Europe. This is how they look in Slovenia, for instance:

http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/09/25/65146327_soocenje.jpg
Image: rtvslo.si


Are you sure that's not the Slovenian version of Take Me Out ? Very Happy
NG
noggin Founding member
Here's a clip of the Agenda (kind of equivalent to Newsnight ish) Party Leader debate on SVT2 :

There was also one on SVT1 on a set that was in the same style as the main SVT election programme - but I can't find it on YouTube or SVT Play.

** EDIT : Found an extract on schools from the SVT1 Slutdebatt (which is the final debate before the election) : http://www.svt.se/nyheter/val2014/se-slutdebatten-igen

85 days later

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VMPhil
After Ofcom announced this morning that they didn't believe the Green Party were popular enough to be included in the debates, according to Sky News David Cameron has apparently refused to take part in the debates if they do not include the Greens.

EDIT: The quote was originally from an interview with ITV News political editor, Tom Bradby:

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-01-08/pm-appears-to-rule-out-taking-part-in-tv-debates/
Last edited by VMPhil on 8 January 2015 4:49pm - 2 times in total
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Andrew Founding member
There is currently a bit if a Twitter spat going on regarding this Cameron exclusive. The BBC reported by saying they and/or Nick Robinson had learnt this info. In reality it was via the interview with ITV News. Tom Bradby and Alastair Stewart have both waded in to defend ITV's honour.
BP
Bob Paisley
There is currently a bit if a Twitter spat going on regarding this Cameron exclusive. The BBC reported by saying they and/or Nick Robinson had learnt this info. In reality it was via the interview with ITV News. Tom Bradby and Alastair Stewart have both waded in to defend ITV's honour.

Robinson claims he was independently working on the same story and didn't just poach it from the ITN interview. Sounds fairly plausible. Cameron's clearly trying to avoid the debates and is coming up with a way to do it. Personally, I'm not sure these debates are ever going to happen.

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