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JamesTV277 posts since 4 Mar 2015
Westcountry Spotlight
Also if you don't even know what kerning is, you have no business designing graphics until you've learnt what it is you're doing and how you do it.


I'm actually staggered by the fact that he refers to himself as a 'Graphic Designer' but has never heard of the term 'kerning'. Simply mind boggling. So long as you have the passion, a computer and a working internet connection, you should have the ability to do some very, very basic research about the area in which you specialise.

As for your latest attempts James, I'm still not convinced and I do think this is going round and round in circles now. Why on earth do you deserve any feedback when all you've done is simply make a mess of what ITV News uses on screen? These aren't improvements. They're not even good recreations. There are actually several schoolboy errors in these images - lack of proper alignment and inconsistent font sizes being two highly obvious ones.

If you and your cronies were given proper feedback on how to improve your 'mocks', we'd end up looking at exact replicas of ITV News graphics, which obviously do NOT fall under the category of "mocks".


I haven't heard the term Kerning used before as I clearly said. All software I have used refers to it as Spacing. You don't need to use fancy words for spacing. I'm learning new things every day, like everyone, so don't criticize me for not knowing what kerning means.

As for your comments, you have been very rude. If you don't like my mocks, move away from them. They are mocks yet you expect them to be really professional, TV standard graphics. You haven't given me any feedback since I started so stop criticizing my mocks. DanielK has given me lots of useful feedback, and he is helping me improve. As for you, I'm getting fed up of reading your comments.

And if this falls under the category of a mock, then why are you taking this so seriously. The Gallery on TV Forum isn't just for professionals. Its for people who want to learn.
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JamesTV277 posts since 4 Mar 2015
Westcountry Spotlight
Your squares don't even match up.

Too much white on the OSGs.

Also if you don't even know what kerning is, you have no business designing graphics until you've learnt what it is you're doing and how you do it.


you won't like this then ……..

JAMESCRAKER.COM
25-Oct-2015 @ 16:56

That has nothing to do with this topic

Don't make me whoosh again.

Take your whooshes somewhere else.
Cavan663 posts since 21 Oct 2012
Meridian (South) Points West
I haven't heard the term Kerning used before as I clearly said. All software I have used refers to it as Spacing. You don't need to use fancy words for spacing.

Maybe, but that's the correct and more specific term for 'spacing'. 'Spacing' is for dummies. Do you honestly expect companies like Fontsmith to dumb down and use more puerile and colloquial terms like 'straight bit' or 'fancy flick' instead of stem and swash?

In terms of graphic design and typography, these terms are important. Any (self titled) freelance graphic designer with no knowledge on kerning wouldn't earn a penny.
I'm learning new things every day, like everyone, so don't criticize me for not knowing what kerning means.

Who's the graphic designer, James?
As for your comments, you have been very rude. If you don't like my mocks, move away from them. The are mocks yet you expect them to be really professional, TV standard graphics.

Not rude, blunt .
You haven't given me any feedback since I started so stop criticizing my mocks.

You and I must be reading completely different threads because I have spotted several instances of BBCNicky giving you feedback. Or is it just a case of rage-filled blindness?
And if this falls under the category of a mock, then why are you taking this so seriously. The Gallery on TV Forum isn't just for professionals. Its for people who want to learn.

We expect some level of quality and subordination. All you have displayed is belligerence and a case of alimentary sores.

If I were you, I would change your tone - our indignation wasn't instigated by nothing.
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Nicky (previously BBCNicky) 2,896 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Sorry, but if you want help or guidance James, you'll just have to swallow your pride, be a bit more humble and accept that the efforts of you and your cronies simply do not reach the standard set by TVF users much more talented than you. Most of them aren't 'professionals' but have often created staggeringly beautiful efforts that exceed yours by miles.

To put it bluntly, you're not a graphic designer by any stretch of the imagination. You're someone who wants to learn to become one. People generally only refer to themselves as graphic designers if they've developed a complete and full understanding of the role, and kerning is probably the most basic issue you should be aware of. No genuine graphic designer would have such an incapability of understanding proper alignment, complementary colours, kerning and acceptable font weights.

Take your whooshes somewhere else.


Can't you take your mocks somewhere else?
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Michael3,988 posts since 5 Sep 2005
I haven't heard the term Kerning used before as I clearly said. All software I have used refers to it as Spacing. You don't need to use fancy words for spacing. I'm learning new things every day, like everyone, so don't criticize me for not knowing what kerning means.


They're not the same thing.

Ever heard of Google or Wikipedia?
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dosxuk3,702 posts since 22 Oct 2005
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I haven't heard the term Kerning used before as I clearly said. All software I have used refers to it as Spacing. You don't need to use fancy words for spacing. I'm learning new things every day, like everyone, so don't criticize me for not knowing what kerning means.


Wow

Kerning isn't a fancy word - it's a precise word, with a precise meaning. You don't get to give yourself a professional job title unless you know all the "fancy" words used by professionals with that title.
It's spelt AERIAL!
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JamesTV277 posts since 4 Mar 2015
Westcountry Spotlight
I haven't heard the term Kerning used before as I clearly said. All software I have used refers to it as Spacing. You don't need to use fancy words for spacing. I'm learning new things every day, like everyone, so don't criticize me for not knowing what kerning means.


Wow

Kerning isn't a fancy word - it's a precise word, with a precise meaning. You don't get to give yourself a professional job title unless you know all the "fancy" words used by professionals with that title.

To me it's a fancy word. I'm not saying that I am professional.
Whataday7,274 posts since 13 Sep 2001
HTV Wales Wales Today
Also if you don't even know what kerning is, you have no business designing graphics until you've learnt what it is you're doing and how you do it.


I'm actually staggered by the fact that he refers to himself as a 'Graphic Designer' but has never heard of the term 'kerning'. Simply mind boggling. So long as you have the passion, a computer and a working internet connection, you should have the ability to do some very, very basic research about the area in which you specialise.

As for your latest attempts James, I'm still not convinced and I do think this is going round and round in circles now. Why on earth do you deserve any feedback when all you've done is simply make a mess of what ITV News uses on screen? These aren't improvements. They're not even good recreations. There are actually several schoolboy errors in these images - lack of proper alignment and inconsistent font sizes being two highly obvious ones.

If you and your cronies were given proper feedback on how to improve your 'mocks', we'd end up looking at exact replicas of ITV News graphics, which obviously do NOT fall under the category of "mocks".


I haven't heard the term Kerning used before as I clearly said. All software I have used refers to it as Spacing. You don't need to use fancy words for spacing. I'm learning new things every day, like everyone, so don't criticize me for not knowing what kerning means.

As for your comments, you have been very rude. If you don't like my mocks, move away from them. They are mocks yet you expect them to be really professional, TV standard graphics. You haven't given me any feedback since I started so stop criticizing my mocks. DanielK has given me lots of useful feedback, and he is helping me improve. As for you, I'm getting fed up of reading your comments.

And if this falls under the category of a mock, then why are you taking this so seriously. The Gallery on TV Forum isn't just for professionals. Its for people who want to learn.


Hear hear.

It is possible to deliver constructive criticism without being as rude as many of the comments here. James is clearly working hard on these (better than anything I could do in Powerpoint - which is where I started playing about with designs years ago) and for that he must have some credit.

People are becoming increasingly rude on this forum and it will end up putting people off from contributing.

Anyone willing to sit down in front of a computer and put together some ideas should be encouraged, not slammed.

The Gallery is for mocks, not mockery.
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JamesTV277 posts since 4 Mar 2015
Westcountry Spotlight

Hear hear.

It is possible to deliver constructive criticism without being as rude as many of the comments here. James is clearly working hard on these (better than anything I could do in Powerpoint - which is where I started playing about with designs years ago) and for that he must have some credit.

People are becoming increasingly rude on this forum and it will end up putting people off from contributing.

Anyone willing to sit down in front of a computer and put together some ideas should be encouraged, not slammed.

The Gallery is for mocks, not mockery.

Thanks Whataday. I've got to be very careful what I say here so I the argument doesn't kick off again, but I agree. People don't have to be so rude. I'm currently studying graphic design, and I was wrong to refer to myself as a graphic designer so I will no longer use that term until I'm confident with every aspect of graphic design. I have also taken my website down.

I have chosen to stop this project now and work on my BBC Music remakes as I am much better at them.

Thanks once again Whataday.
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