The Gallery

BBC News 1999

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Pete Founding member STV North Reporting Scotland
Doesn't include the News 24 countdown or titles, but this collection of the original World titles and idents from the original laserdiscs is probably as good a reference as we'll get.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNX5Z5m-hlSyiHwnV6IzGXw


ooooh. any idea why these have transferred as 4:3? I was under the impression that World was being produced internally as widescreen at the same time News 24 was?
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chris Granada North West Today
Bail posted:
I'm carrying on with the mock, no commentary just me working on the final shots if anyone wants to watch along.

twitch.tv/lazyorange


Looking great Bail! Excited to see it.
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After a few days of getting to know the basics, typing out the numbers 00 to 90, and watching my render times grow, I made a 1999 style countdown in Reith.
That mock looks great. I've had DaVinci Resolve on my laptop for quite some time and have never touched it. Maybe I should start looking into it a bit more...
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Pete posted:
Doesn't include the News 24 countdown or titles, but this collection of the original World titles and idents from the original laserdiscs is probably as good a reference as we'll get.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNX5Z5m-hlSyiHwnV6IzGXw


ooooh. any idea why these have transferred as 4:3? I was under the impression that World was being produced internally as widescreen at the same time News 24 was?

I think they were stored on the LaserDisc as Anamorphic widescreen in a 4:3 frame - but I am happy to be corrected. It could have happened during the transfer.

I wonder who owns the actual LaserDisc disc? are there good ways to get the content off them, in as high a quality as possible?
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Bail Moderator Meridian (South) South Today
Want to see how I do some of those placenames, and the animation and masking have a look at this free project file to have a go at yourselves.

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FactorFiles (previously JarrodFactor) World News
Pete posted:
Doesn't include the News 24 countdown or titles, but this collection of the original World titles and idents from the original laserdiscs is probably as good a reference as we'll get.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNX5Z5m-hlSyiHwnV6IzGXw


ooooh. any idea why these have transferred as 4:3? I was under the impression that World was being produced internally as widescreen at the same time News 24 was?

I think they were stored on the LaserDisc as Anamorphic widescreen in a 4:3 frame - but I am happy to be corrected. It could have happened during the transfer.

I wonder who owns the actual LaserDisc disc? are there good ways to get the content off them, in as high a quality as possible?


I don't think this is right. If you look through the content, all of the channel ids, countdowns, breakfiller and titles are full frame 4:3, whereas the titles for the news itself are 14:9 hard masked. Which implies that although the newsroom was being shot in 16:9, it was hard masked to 14:9 in the gallery, and all of the titles were produced to already reflect this format.
It seems unlikely they would have produced the channel content in anything other than 4:3.
Somewhere at Lambie Nairn or maybe even at the BBC there were probably widescreen masters of the news titles content, as it makes sense that they were originally created in 16:9 with a 14:9 safe. It seems very Lambie-Nairn to have produced them in 16:9, ready to be compatible when the channel finally threw off the shackles of the 14:9 compromise, not imagining that their gorgeous branding would be retired only a few years later. Similarly their rebrand in 2008 was done entirely (I assume?) in HD, so the move to Broadcasting House didn't require much work with the original assets.
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Pete Founding member STV North Reporting Scotland
I don't think this is right. If you look through the content, all of the channel ids, countdowns, breakfiller and titles are full frame 4:3, whereas the titles for the news itself are 14:9 hard masked. Which implies that although the newsroom was being shot in 16:9, it was hard masked to 14:9 in the gallery, and all of the titles were produced to already reflect this format.
It seems unlikely they would have produced the channel content in anything other than 4:3.
Somewhere at Lambie Nairn or maybe even at the BBC there were probably widescreen masters of the news titles content, as it makes sense that they were originally created in 16:9 with a 14:9 safe. It seems very Lambie-Nairn to have produced them in 16:9, ready to be compatible when the channel finally threw off the shackles of the 14:9 compromise, not imagining that their gorgeous branding would be retired only a few years later. Similarly their rebrand in 2008 was done entirely (I assume?) in HD, so the move to Broadcasting House didn't require much work with the original assets.


Again one of the issues is the only footage we have of BBC World in that era in widescreen dates from the TVC bomb, and the TVC powercut. Both of which involved lashing up a temporary setup at source, and again are recorded on VHS or more primitive capture cards. So the fact these clips are aspect ratio bingo is more likely a result of the odd situations.

ISTR that BBC World had a traditional presentation suite whereas News 24 was just all done though its own gallery. So it would make sense that the pres suite ran in 4:3 and took the 16:9 feed from the N9 gallery and cropped it to 14:9 letterbox for broadcast. So therefore if the laserdisks were made for day to day use in the pres suite, rather than being the originals Nambie Lairn created or delivered, they'd be 4:3...

*BUT* the sports stings etc would be being used in the gallery not the pres suite. And that gallery was definitely 16:9 capable as it was the old News 24 gallery from launch, and was producing overnights and BBC Four News in 16:9. So why are they are on the laserdisks for pres? Redundancy perhaps but 16:9 versions of at least the news assets would have had to exist in the gallery.
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FactorFiles (previously JarrodFactor) World News
That's a great insight Pete. I feel bad we're hijacking Bail's thread, where we really should be talking about all of this in the recently created BBC News Nostalgia thread!
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Pete Founding member STV North Reporting Scotland
That's a great insight Pete. I feel bad we're hijacking Bail's thread, where we really should be talking about all of this in the recently created BBC News Nostalgia thread!


yes fair point, Bail if you want to move the relevant posts?
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Bail Moderator Meridian (South) South Today
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BillyH Founding member London London
Honestly, if you'd have pretended that you somehow went back into Lambie Nairn's original digital files and re-rendered the sequence, I'd have completely believed you. Fantastic work.
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Justin World News
Pete posted:

ooooh. any idea why these have transferred as 4:3? I was under the impression that World was being produced internally as widescreen at the same time News 24 was?

I think they were stored on the LaserDisc as Anamorphic widescreen in a 4:3 frame - but I am happy to be corrected. It could have happened during the transfer.

I wonder who owns the actual LaserDisc disc? are there good ways to get the content off them, in as high a quality as possible?


Somewhere at Lambie Nairn or maybe even at the BBC there were probably widescreen masters of the news titles content, as it makes sense that they were originally created in 16:9 with a 14:9 safe. It seems very Lambie-Nairn to have produced them in 16:9, ready to be compatible when the channel finally threw off the shackles of the 14:9 compromise, not imagining that their gorgeous branding would be retired only a few years later.


I recall coming across these on YouTube a few years ago, but there are definitely copies of a widescreen 2000 package floating around.



Feel free to move this post to aforementioned nostalgia thread Very Happy
Last edited by Justin on 12 May 2020 5:19am
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