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Question (August 2020)

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AZ
Azerty
Why in a few months it has become forbidden to share music and a virulent repression has emerged ?

It was better in the past.

Best !
JI
Jimmyson
There has been a lingering problem with people just willy-nilly asking for themes, such as people generating accounts just to ask for tracks. This is affecting the perception of what is forum is for; "TV Presentation and Discussion", rather than the current "TV Music finder" assumption.
There has also been concern around the use of intellectual property. Whilst not been considered "Library", the music is question is actually owned by the BBC, and composers composers have been getting to trouble that the work is been given into the hands of the public. The BBC would have certainly paid for that work, and if the public can just get it for free, it ruins the value of such effort and ruins trust in their relationship to the artist.

There also possibly runs the risk of being used in a malice way. BBC News is a popular brand, and when the public tries to emulate the brand, it can be misconstrued as a truth and muddy the trust and recognition of the brand. I would suspect any organization would not want their brands to be impacted in such a way.

There is also a concern that people are assuming they should have a right to a copy just because it was made public somehow. Even if that is not the intention, people can read that as such a reason. People have been asking for a long time, and people whom have responded such requests are now tired of such thing. The files are just randomly posted elsewhere when a trust was established that it would be for "personal use" (such as listening to in private).

As for the expression, I am a little surprised, but not shocked. Given how some people just "steal" work and mark it as their own, it can compound the frustration to such a point where the responding behavior is such.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Why in a few months it has become forbidden to share music and a virulent repression has emerged ?

It was better in the past.

Best !


Then I suggest you fire up your flux capacitor and go back to a time when it was better.

This is a web forum discussing the presentation of TV, not an all-you-can-consume music collection service. The points raised above I'm not going to repeat, but I suggest you read them again.
BA
Bail Moderator
Jimmyson nailed it really, as has been said, in the past things have been shared on the forum and stay on the forum, now everything thats shared is uploaded to YouTube within minutes and thats rather against the sprit of things and often the composers wishes. The fact that repeat offenders continue to sign up just to access the request forum and not contribute elsewhere also irks.
RO
rob Founding member
Exactly, I've now stopped sharing audio on here because it's been stolen by people (Adam Withey for example) and posted on YouTube. If I trust the user and I have the file, I'll send it to them through PM.

Manners help as well, I'm more likely to help a member out if they use "please" and "thank you". Just common courtesy...
NB
NicB1971
We have seen a few individuals creep on here demanding X theme without a please or thank you and it has spoilt the generally good nature of this site. The majority of you are extremely knowledgeable, and will post things they know will be genuinely appreciated and not blatantly ripped - occasionally with a lame voiceover that is an meant to be a "genuine" continuity announcement from a bygone era. I thought I had a good understanding of television from the 1970s but I am definitely a third-rate amateur in comparison to you good people. Alas, I don't have anything worth uploading and therefore I rarely ask unless something has spiked my curiosity. Keep up the great work and boot out the new members who have no real interest in television and its history. Grumble over!
AZ
Azerty
The composers told you themselves what they thought personally?
We can not waste and stop this pleasure of sharing because of 2-3 cowards, it's so sad really
JI
Jimmyson
The composers told you themselves what they thought personally?
We can not waste and stop this pleasure of sharing because of 2-3 cowards, it's so sad really

I'm sorry, that is an arrogant response, and shows that lack of respect we are so worried about, and why this is now an issue.
Yes, people have ruined it, but you shouldn't just ignore the issue at hand.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
The composers told you themselves what they thought personally?
We can not waste and stop this pleasure of sharing because of 2-3 cowards, it's so sad really


Try flipping it around and seeing it from their point of view:

You write a piece of music and it goes into a music library or you're fortunate enough for it to be used as the theme/bed/whatever on a mainstream TV production. You've spent loads of time on it. Because of the way the system works you only get paid for it when it is used in a production.
Your music gets "separated" (for want of a better word) and stuck on YouTube and enters a sharing circle. It is now available for anybody and everybody to use without payment forthcoming to you.
How would you feel about that?
DO
dosxuk
The composers told you themselves what they thought personally?
We can not waste and stop this pleasure of sharing because of 2-3 cowards, it's so sad really


Please ask Asa for a refund of your membership fee if you're not happy. It's because of the shear number of people abusing the generosity of other forum members that this sharing has all but come to an end. Nobody here has the right to get copies of this content and the sources have got fed up and have stopped sharing because everything inevitably ends up on Youtube within minutes with some kid describing it as "NOT MY CONTENT NO COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT INTENDED".
AZ
Azerty
It's more recognition than anything else that the tv theme be shared, you see music as something private and something possessive, but it's people we've been bought by the tv, they make a lot of money, the tv themes are ordered £, are bought back ££, and then you have to pay the broadcasting fee £££, the composers will not end up on the streets that 2-3 cowards have posted on youtube, their pay is for life and their fame too, 2-3 cowards cannot turn everything upside down to this extreme point
Last edited by Azerty on 13 August 2020 3:57pm
CM
cmthwtv
It's more recognition than anything else that the tv theme be shared, you see music as something private and something possessive, but it's people we've been bought by the tv, they make a lot of money, the tv themes are ordered £, are bought back ££, and then you have to pay the broadcasting fee £££, the composers will not end up on the streets that 2-3 cowards have posted on youtube, their pay is for life and their fame too, 2-3 cowards cannot turn everything upside down to this extreme point


But they can. People who are (were) kind enough to share pieces of theme tunes from various news outlets did so in trust - something that can no longer happen. You can see this is the case by a quick hop onto YouTube where you can find multiple BBC News themes.

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