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nwtv2003 Granada North West Today
And like buses, two Channel closedowns are uploaded at once:

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gottago London London
And like buses, two Channel closedowns are uploaded at once:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDJWsaV8oO0

I love how they stick a slide of French landmarks for the news in French for no particular reason other than because the French are from France! "Remember home?"
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ToasterMan Granada North West Today
The Lost Media Wikia recently restored an episode of The Adventures of Noddy, (all episodes exist in the BFI's collection, and have fallen in the public domain), the first television adaptation of Enid Blyton's Noddy series, as well as the very first children's programme to be broadcast on the ITV network, produced specifically for ATV in 1955. Sadly, there's a lot of film scratches and the optical audio quality seems to have went through a lot of degrading, but this is still an incredible find.
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Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
Yeah, this comes up regularly regarding the Lost Media Wiki. Their definition of "lost" is that something isn't on YouTube or physically available to buy from a shop, and the material isn't actually "lost" as such, its just unavailable (there is a difference). Indeed their own page on that series specifically says "The entire series is preserved within the BBC Archives", and then has a big table below it saying the bulk of the episodes are "lost".
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Where’s that weird overlaid ATV logo come from, it’s rock steady compared to the rest of the film, and the font looks electronically kerned.....
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Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
Actually thinking about it, didn't ATV have a more squashed looking logo in the 1950s, which (the story goes) had to be cobbled together ?
https://625.uk.com/tv_logos/flash/atv_55.asp (this is the front cap/"between programmes" ident, I presume the end cap would have been the same without the chimes.

That ATV logo in the Noddy clip seems more in line with the later better known version from later in the 1950s, which didn't look squashed...
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TIGHazard Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Where’s that weird overlaid ATV logo come from, it’s rock steady compared to the rest of the film, and the font looks electronically kerned.....


During the end credits?

Seems to be a recreation, they've tried to do a good job with the film grain/damage but yeah, it doesn't have the 'Jitter' the rest of the credits have.

Soundtrack with the 'crackles and pops' is also a lot quieter during it before it gets louder again as the film tails out.
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dycaite
Hey guys, dycaite from the Lost Media Wiki here. Came across this thread recently and I'd like to clarify a few things about Noddy and the Moon - though first and foremost, thank you for sharing the episode here and increasing its exposure, much appreciated!

So - I bought this episode on a 16mm film reel at the beginning of this year from a private collector in Germany (an admin on here can DM me and I'll put you in touch with him, if anyone wants to corroborate that directly) who came across our page on the series and reached out to me, as he was in the process of selling off some of his film reels, including this one. I don't know how or where he originally obtained it, but here is a photo of the reel itself:

https://imgur.com/a/jDU2gjx

I don't know what to tell you about the ATV logo since I'm not an aficionado on UK TV. However, I had this reel scanned via 2K .DPX files - one per frame - all of the ATV ones which I have provided here for your closer examination (I also took the liberty of converting them all into TIF files so you don't even need Photoshop to view them, but the DPX files are there in their untouched state too for those curious; I don't know why the TIF files are larger, that's just the way Photoshop spat them out when I batch converted them):

https://archive.org/details/aus-tv-200720-00100108862

I intend to eventually upload all 19,038 DPX files to the Internet Archive but as I'm in Australia, my internet speeds aren't great, and they total close to 230GB of data :/

Now, I'm not necessarily saying that this was the assertion, but, for the record:

I would not fake any part of this, nor would I even know how to do so convincingly (furthermore, why would I? What benefit could I possibly get by editing a different logo in at the end?). It would go entirely against the whole point of the website.

Since I started the wiki in 2012, a lot of work and passion has been put into keeping it informative, up to date, and most importantly, as accurate as possible. I would have absolutely no reason to fake anything and I am also a publicly outspoken opponent of people who try to fake "lost" media, which does happen from time to time (and yes, we use a different definition of the term "lost" on the wiki - call me crazy, but "The Lost/Hard-to-find/Unreleased/Cancelled Media Wiki" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue Razz)

If this is indeed a "recreation" of the logo, for whatever odd reason, then it's baked into the reel itself and was not digitally added after the fact. I can only assume that the reason that final shot is in a bit better quality than the rest is simply that when most people previously played the reel, they turned it off during the credits, so it saw less degradation.

Anyway, that aside - the reel itself was transferred in late July by the Australian TV Archive in Victoria, who can corroborate its legitimacy; any admins on here - also feel free to contact me if you would like me to put you in touch with the individual who did the transfer if you'd like to also confirm this with them.

I have also provided you guys with the raw WAV file of the episode's audio track here:

https://archive.org/details/optical-soundtrack

Hopefully this has cleared things up a bit, feel free to hit me up with any additional questions you may have Smile

-Daniel (aka dycaite)
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Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
Hi Daniel, I think you've misunderstood. Nobody suggested the ATV logo was "fake" or that anybody from Lost Media had done it, its entirely plausible it was retro added by ATV, maybe as part of a repeat season a few years later. That happens quite a lot these days where old TV programmes are repeated and their front caps/old logos (Thames for example) are effectively airbrushed out. in 1955 there was only one ITV company on air at all (Associated-Rediffusion weekdays and ATV at the weekend) in the London region. The squashed logo was replaced in 1958 with the variation that stuck (for the most part) until the 1980s.
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dycaite
Hi Daniel, I think you've misunderstood. Nobody suggested the ATV logo was "fake" or that anybody from Lost Media had done it, its entirely plausible it was retro added by ATV, maybe as part of a repeat season a few years later. That happens quite a lot these days where old TV programmes are repeated and their front caps/old logos (Thames for example) are effectively airbrushed out. in 1955 there was only one ITV company on air at all (Associated-Rediffusion weekdays and ATV at the weekend) in the London region. The squashed logo was replaced in 1958 with the variation that stuck (for the most part) until the 1980s.


My mistake; it was this comment that gave me that impression:

"Seems to be a recreation, they've tried to do a good job with the film grain/damage but yeah, it doesn't have the 'Jitter' the rest of the credits have."

I misinterpreted "they've tried to do a good job with the film grain/damage" as "they've tried to do a good job of trying to make it look like the same scratches on the rest of the video"

Carry on Razz
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ToasterMan Granada North West Today
Considering as said in the description, the last transmission of said episode was in 1963, it's entirely plausible that ATV "plastered", as I refer to logo replacement as, the 1955 logo with the 1958 one. This practice became especially common during the 90's, as Neil mentioned with Pearson/FreemantleMedia's handling of the Thames archive, although this seems to have died down recently, with the correct logos appearing once again.

Also welcome to TV Forum, Daniel and congratulations on finding a highly sought after piece of kids telly! I remember seeing a restored version of a late 50's Kellogg's Sugar Ricicles advert with the Noddy puppet, during the 2014 Gerry Anderson documentary, Filmed in Supermarionation, (it's this one here):


As the BFI website states all 52 episodes of the series exist in it's archives, have you contacted them regarding the possibility of a public release and do you know if any 16mm reels are floating around? I'm available on Discord if you'd like to discuss this further, username's ToasterMan#1573. Very Happy
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Ghost Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
A report about the ITV Day of Promise:

And Eammon Holmes appears on GMTV slightly earlier than usual to be interviewed about it:
623058: Maybe it you clooks!

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