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NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Interestingly, that episode of Fawlty Towers, The Psychiatrist, went out here, in a 30 minute scheduled slot (not that Genome is gospel of course, as that was published as the schedule):
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbctwo/england/1979-02-26 at 21:00

There must have been a late schedule change, because according to this, it went out at 21:05 that evening:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0078ks6

And with a running time of about 36 minutes, the next scheduled programme on Genome can't have started at 21:30 if Fawlty Towers didn't start until 21:05, unless BBC Two ran late or something else had happened previously in the evening?
NL
Ne1L C
Interestingly, that episode of Fawlty Towers, The Psychiatrist, went out here, in a 30 minute scheduled slot (not that Genome is gospel of course, as that was published as the schedule):
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbctwo/england/1979-02-26 at 21:00

There must have been a late schedule change, because according to this, it went out at 21:05 that evening:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0078ks6

And with a running time of about 36 minutes, the next scheduled programme on Genome can't have started at 21:30 if Fawlty Towers didn't start until 21:05, unless BBC Two ran late or something else had happened previously in the evening?


According to the Fawlty Towers 30th Anniversary Documentary some of the episodes ran over 30 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_TE5q9E4BA
(50:04 to 50.21)
VM
VMPhil
Under Chris Cowey it was the era where the presenters exhibited their individual personalities the least, it was pretty clear he'd written the scripts and you soon got used to some of his familiar turns of phrase. Richard Marson talks in his book about doing a bit about Pops for Blue Peter, and saying that as it was in Elstree, away from all the other programmes, Cowey had turned it into his own empire where he called the shots, and every single person would go "Let me check this with Chris" or "Chris says yes". He also says he had a very individual directing style, in that he wouldn't physically direct the show but sit in the control room and say "Camera 2 looks good!" or "Interesting shots from 4!".

Whilst I completely understand all the criticism of Cowey's production of TOTP, it's hard for me to be objective about it since this was 'my era' of the Pops, even if CD:UK was by far and away miles better. That said, I used to be of the mindset that Andi Peters was the cause of TOTP's demise, but I now think it was the stagnation towards the end of Cowey's reign (even with the revamp and the Star Bar and all that) that probably meant it was too late to save it by the time Peters took over.
RB
RobinBlamires05
That said, I used to be of the mindset that Andi Peters was the cause of TOTP's demise, but I now think it was the stagnation towards the end of Cowey's reign (even with the revamp and the Star Bar and all that) that probably meant it was too late to save it by the time Peters took over.



There's definitely hints of that in the "History Of Rock And Pop" book. Wouldn't want to give too much away as it's better from the words of Chris Cowey himself.
GH
Ghost
According to the Fawlty Towers 30th Anniversary Documentary some of the episodes ran over 30 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_TE5q9E4BA
(50:04 to 50.21)
That YouTube link takes you to an Adam Withey video rather than the documentary.
NL
Ne1L C
Ghost posted:
According to the Fawlty Towers 30th Anniversary Documentary some of the episodes ran over 30 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_TE5q9E4BA
(50:04 to 50.21)
That YouTube link takes you to an Adam Withey video rather than the documentary.


Thanks for telling me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw-bLS_th_U
JA
james-2001
Let's be honest, even the Star Bar wasn't the best idea. Not least because it was taking up valuable time in a half hour show where there could have been more music (though admittedly in the Cowey area that would likely just be a performance we'd already seen 3 times before). Might have worked better on CD:UK who had more time to play with. The last few months of Cowey where they cut away from performances to show wacky behind the scenes clips really were grim.
Last edited by james-2001 on 18 June 2020 8:02pm
NW
nwtv2003
Here’s a unique one, about 20 minutes of ITV Telethon ‘88 from 1:30am, with no sign of the rowdiness dying down.

SW
Steve Williams
Let's be honest, even the Star Bar wasn't the best idea. Not least because it was taking up valuable time in a half hour show where there could have been more music (though admittedly in the Cowey area that would likely just be a performance we'd already seen 3 times before). Might have worked better on CD:UK who had more time to play with. The last few months of Cowey where they cut away from performances to show wacky behind the scenes clips really were grim.


Well, indeed. I've said before that CDUK was a massive influence on Pops at the time. I think one thing that really did it was when CDUK used to do a record review and one week it was Louis Walsh and Mel C, and they had a (very good-humoured) argument and slanging match, and it got in all the papers, and gave CDUK a load of publicity. Some of the other features and interviews did that as well, and you knew that Pops really wanted to replicate that, but as you say, they only had half an hour, so they just didn't have the time. And when it became even more like CDUK in the 2003 revamp, they never had anyone like Cat Deeley who could do it.

The Star Bar might have been a good idea, but it was executed so badly, because for some reason they seemed to forget it was actually supposed to be on television, so the acoustics were awful and everyone had to awkwardly pass microphones around. And there were never any stars in it, of course.

Whilst I completely understand all the criticism of Cowey's production of TOTP, it's hard for me to be objective about it since this was 'my era' of the Pops, even if CD:UK was by far and away miles better. That said, I used to be of the mindset that Andi Peters was the cause of TOTP's demise, but I now think it was the stagnation towards the end of Cowey's reign (even with the revamp and the Star Bar and all that) that probably meant it was too late to save it by the time Peters took over.


Yeah, I still watched it every week, and because I had a video by this point I would always record it (I might have been less bothered about the repeats if I hadn't watched it religiously every week, which most people don't do). I was actually quite excited when Cowey took over because it did seem a bit more imaginative than in previous years, with the audience more involved to make it a bit of a spectacle, and some imaginative presentation. But it was stagnating by the end, Cowey stayed there a bit too long and probably didn't change enough.

It's easy to say the Andi Peters era is the low point of Pops and they did do some very bad things, but one thing that was good was that they tried to make it more of a spectacle and more of a show rather than a bunch of records strung together, and they always tried to have something special every week (although they would sometimes overdo the promotion a bit, I remember one week when they announced Kylie was on the following week, before the opening titles of that week's show). Which hadn't been the case for the previous years.
IT
IndigoTucker
Here’s an interesting one, the first few minutes would suggest a normal day at TV-am, however after 5 minutes into this clip, Jayne Irving appears out of nowhere to explain that they couldn’t bring a normal service due to an industrial dispute, and that it would be normal again. With the mention of the Caring Christmas campaign, this clip could possibly be from the first day of the infamous Strike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W05bFZdDR2w


Runway has the same theme tune as the original ITN News at One/First Reports. Odd.
JA
james-2001
Presumably a library track.
AN
Andrew Founding member
That's an odd clip all round. The clock looks like it's on 9:25 for a long while. At first I thought the egg cup slide and Jaynes strike mention were different domestic recordings but her reaction is obviously about the mess.

In the description The Cosby Show trail is a break in recording but the sudden end to TVam and the nice transition between the trail and the TVS opener looks like TVS started with that trail, which seems an odd way to come on air. It was early days of daytime TV so they had more time to play with at 9:25 back then

I'm guessing they were playing out a recording from a previous day

That TVS junction is quite messy, jumping between trailers, the start up routine, more trailers, weather, continuity, more trailers

It's also of note how on TVS their ident music and regional news theme was one and the same. Did anyone else do this?

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