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Inspector Sands14,274 posts since 25 Aug 2004
The 2003 date is curious, the only thing I can think of is that they only initially paid to use them until that date. There's no other reason I can think of. They were used l for longer, so it probably acted as a reminder to re-license them

Personally I hadn't really acknowledged them as a new set of idents, I just think of them as a continuation of the ones they launched in 1999.


One other thing to note in those videos is the branding on the Time Team trail, in the first video it has the Christmas trail graphics and the next showing its standard ones
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Interceptor800 posts since 20 Oct 2014
Also from New Year's Day 2002, the very first showings of the 2002 Channel 4 idents, produced the year prior; (note the brief glimpse of a VT clock on the first showing of "Lights" introducing The Hoobs!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHX4zYq7hWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z5f3PpndJ8

Also note the very unchristmassy Time Team promo which lost its tree across that junction.


This seems as good a place as any to ask, why did C4 show menus like that every morning, was it purely as padding? It was the closest thing on TV to a proper start up for years.

Actually, come to thing of it, does it still happen? I'm pretty sure I've not seen one with their post 2015 idents but I haven't been up that early ever so often.
Inspector Sands14,274 posts since 25 Aug 2004
I think it was just an easy way of filling the last few minutes of the day, ITV does it with Nightscreen of course.

I am up that early and occasionally see Channel 4 and they don't do it any more, in fact they often schedule a programme over 6am, one of the few, if only TV channels to do so
TIGHazard646 posts since 3 Jan 2014
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
CBBC Morning Continuity from New Year's Day 2002, featuring what I believe are some of the earliest mentions of CBeebies and an in-direct reference to of the CBBC Channel on-screen, (although the channels themselves had been announced on November 20th, the previous year and six days later, the channel logos would be unveiled).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzDxmqD10XA


The BBC showed Small Soldiers?
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ToasterMan (previously BeanosOnToast) 100 posts since 17 Feb 2016
Granada North West Today
CBBC Morning Continuity from New Year's Day 2002, featuring what I believe are some of the earliest mentions of CBeebies and an in-direct reference to of the CBBC Channel on-screen, (although the channels themselves had been announced on November 20th, the previous year and six days later, the channel logos would be unveiled).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzDxmqD10XA


The BBC showed Small Soldiers?

Yep, it was one of the big terrestrial premieres of the Christmas 2001/02 season on BBC One, along with Toy Story, (the first Disney/Pixar film to be shown by the BBC as part of a deal with Buena Vista International Television) and Antz, the first DreamWorks Animation film.

The BBC held the terrestrial rights for Small Soldiers until 2005, when it moved to ITV shortly after, and then finally to Channel 4, where it remains to this day.
Andrew Wood3,761 posts since 30 Mar 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
This seems as good a place as any to ask, why did C4 show menus like that every morning, was it purely as padding? It was the closest thing on TV to a proper start up for years.

Actually, come to thing of it, does it still happen? I'm pretty sure I've not seen one with their post 2015 idents but I haven't been up that early ever so often.

Yes they do, but definitely not as extended - but it is a filler. They show a three line menu before the 'first' programme of the morning - usually Countdown, or it could be the one before it.
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buster1,814 posts since 15 Mar 2006
London London
I've often wondered about that menu. Originally it was usually on screen for a few mins, but nothing that couldn't have been covered by a few promos. Then after a while they started doing a VO over it, followed by more music. More recently it's very brief indeed - just a few seconds. I wonder if it's something mundane like it's that day's breakdown menu, and by scheduling it at the start of the day it ensures it gets made?
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Inspector Sands14,274 posts since 25 Aug 2004

Yes they do, but definitely not as extended - but it is a filler. They show a three line menu before the 'first' programme of the morning - usually Countdown, or it could be the one before it.

I was up early enough to have a watch this morning and yes there is a short menu, a 2-line one this morning.


Curiously one of the programmes mentioned on the menu (Kevin Mclouds Guide to the Future) was trailed before and after, once as 'tomorrow' and once as 'tonight'. So its where their day begins. Presumbly whoever scheduled the trails in Wednesdays didn't look at what ended Tuesdays! A bit like a DJ starting his show with the same song that ended the previous one
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Interceptor800 posts since 20 Oct 2014
This seems as good a place as any to ask, why did C4 show menus like that every morning, was it purely as padding? It was the closest thing on TV to a proper start up for years.

Actually, come to thing of it, does it still happen? I'm pretty sure I've not seen one with their post 2015 idents but I haven't been up that early ever so often.

Yes they do, but definitely not as extended - but it is a filler. They show a three line menu before the 'first' programme of the morning - usually Countdown, or it could be the one before it.



Yes they do, but definitely not as extended - but it is a filler. They show a three line menu before the 'first' programme of the morning - usually Countdown, or it could be the one before it.

I was up early enough to have a watch this morning and yes there is a short menu, a 2-line one this morning.


Curiously one of the programmes mentioned on the menu (Kevin Mclouds Guide to the Future) was trailed before and after, once as 'tomorrow' and once as 'tonight'. So its where their day begins. Presumbly whoever scheduled the trails in Wednesdays didn't look at what ended Tuesdays! A bit like a DJ starting his show with the same song that ended the previous one

Interesting stuff, I can't even picture what a slide would look like in the current scheme - unless it's just one of those trail endboards?
james-20015,798 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
The final ever Going Live from 1993.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZlwbOCtcjg


I have NO memory of that Gravedale High cartoon for some reason, looks like typical late 80s/early 90s Hanna-Barbera though, they all looked virtually the same, right down to virtually identical title cards and end credits!

The BBC Archive Twitter feed posted a video of the end of this episode a few years back, taken from the master tape, so it had an extra 30 or so seconds that weren't broadcast.

Paralell 9 trailer at the end, I must be one of the few people who remembers that show well 🤣

Also, it says it's complete, but scrolling through the video I can't find the part that was filmed in the BBC cafeteria which had Trev & Simon and Rick & Ade "arguing" about who's tour was the best:

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