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noggin14,282 posts since 26 Jun 2001

VHS in my experience was never very good at the audio side of things and I would hope the (presumably) Betamax masters sitting on a shelf somewhere at Leeds are better quality both audio and visual wise, even if all they are good for as far as ITV are concerned gathering dust.


In 1987 pretty much all network productions would have mastered to 1" C-Format in the UK.

Betacam (I assume you meant rather than Betamax - which was a VHS-quality consumer format) was not accepted by either the BBC or ITV for network production (though it was occasionally used for acquisition)

It wasn't until Betacam SP that the format saw widespread adoption (though technically it didn't quite meet IBA specs ISTR), but even then shows shot on BetaSP were usually mastered to 1" (later D2 or D3) outside of lower budget stuff (like News)
Neil Jones5,215 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
I've done the Betcam/Betamax thing before I believe. Sometimes I never learn.

I presume then somebody at ITV could have digitised the 1" tapes of Hardwicke (or at least copied them to something more modern, D2 or something?), as looking at pictures of the 1" tapes they look like hulking great things that take up a shed load of room.
noggin14,282 posts since 26 Jun 2001
I've done the Betcam/Betamax thing before I believe. Sometimes I never learn.

I presume then somebody at ITV could have digitised the 1" tapes of Hardwicke (or at least copied them to something more modern, D2 or something?), as looking at pictures of the 1" tapes they look like hulking great things that take up a shed load of room.


Ha ha! You should see 2" tapes...

But yes - the original masters may well have been transferred to a new format.

I don't know about ITV but the BBC did the following (approx) :

2" open reel dubbed to D3 Digital Composite cassette (D3 is a 1/2" composite format, D2 was a 3/4" composite format)
1" open reel dubbed to D3 Digital Composite initially - but then...
1" and D3 dubbed to DigiBeta (a 1/2" component format) (via Transform PAL decoders that are reversible) and uncompressed LTO data tape

The LTO data tape is now being ingested as IMX50 MPEG2 into the BBC Digital Archive.

So for 2" and some 1" there will be a D3 (now increasingly difficult to play), and in many cases also a DigiBeta (still easy to play) and an LTO data tape, which can be automatically migrated to new data standards, and in some cases also an online IMX50 copy in the Digital Archive.
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Si-Co2,082 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcll8sLems

A June 1993 handover from Carlton to GMTV. Worth noting that although the break bumper is Carlton branded, there is no sign of the ‘Nightime’ branding, and ITV branding prior to GMTV.


Would the generic branding be in use because Carlton’s continuity was being seen elsewhere - didn’t a few southern stations take a presented feed through the night?
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nwtv20038,340 posts since 5 Jan 2003
Granada North West Today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcll8sLems

A June 1993 handover from Carlton to GMTV. Worth noting that although the break bumper is Carlton branded, there is no sign of the ‘Nightime’ branding, and ITV branding prior to GMTV.


Would the generic branding be in use because Carlton’s continuity was being seen elsewhere - didn’t a few southern stations take a presented feed through the night?


At this point Carlton’s feed was only being shown on Meridian and Channel, which also used the same ‘Nightime’ branding, so why they went from that to plain old ITV branding is confusing.
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VMPhil9,518 posts since 31 Mar 2005
Granada North West Today
Still baffles me how that screeching saxophone was deemed suitable for 6am.

I’ve always thought the idea was that it starts quiet and sedate and then slowly builds up. But it was an ’80s/’90s thing to have prominent saxophone in your TV theme tune.


At the very start of the clip, that must be the world’s shortest news bulletin - ‘News! Goodbye’. I guess ITN were suffering from severe budget cuts at that time.
fanoftv8,076 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
The saxophone theme brings back a lot of memories from being a kid despite not remembering much of the programme. I can’t believe that they changed the set so dramatically within 6 months. Their launch set (IMO) was a lot nicer than the TVam knock off that is seen in that clip.

I loved the way that the news was introduced too.