Is TV ark forum now better than TVForum ?

TV Ark or TV Forum? Does it really matter. Surely talking about tv presentation past or present is geeky enough as it is!

People might moan about a thread on the Ark about Good Health but then this forum did spawn about 300 pages on the potential relaunch and actual relaunch of News 24 late last year.

I'm Sorry - it beggars belief that people say this forum IS NOT too serious. This forum IS FAR TOO serious.

If somebody does a mock design - who gives anything on whether or not is is "within safe areas" these mocks are just that - A MOCK! They WILL NEVER be used on screen, and, if they were then they would need to be remade to a much higher quality than a majorly compressed 600x400 or whatever JPEG image. Get A Life - appreciate the hard work that people have put into a mock - just accept that it would all be displayed on screen and for Christ's sake Live! People are doing it for the fun of it - appreciate it and as the poster commented on - give constructive critism and not just abuse.

Also, The forum is too heavy-handed if somebody doesn't post in the "corerect topic" - ie BBC News Thread - well what if I have a question that relates to BBC News but is within its own right to NOT be put in the BBC News Thread - I know i dont want to go trailing through 90 pages of stuff to get to the original point and then the answer.

Grow Up, accept mocks for what they are, prune topics and at the very least let people post - who cares if theres 90 posts on BBC news - so long as each post is different (ie one on pres, one on presenters maybe a post on the content) then what's the problem?

Ok Rant Alomst Over but I totally agree that this place is too much trying to be wannabe-tv pres designers forum - forget "Safe Areas" and just enjoy discussing things - this forum is Far Too serious...Forums cannot work that way!

Perhaps the entire database should be deleted and a new forum started from scratch - forgetting all these daft rules - keep proper forum rules (ie no swearing, libelous remarks etc) and forget about being serious!

Think about it!

I'm going to respond to too many comments here to allow for quoting, so I'm just speaking generally.

Firstly, as has been said, just because one forum exists that you prefer, why should all others be closed down? You say it's has fulfilled its purpose - correct me if I am wrong, but the initial purpose of TV Forum was to allow a medium in which individuals interested in television presentation could discuss their hobby with other like-minded people. If I'm not mistaken, this is still going on, just over three years down the track. Unless television ceases tomorrow, there should be enough material to continue discussing for the forseeable future.

Secondly, I do realise that it must be annoying having your head bitten off for asking a question. But, you must realise that some members, including myself, have been here since day one. It can get annoying when the same simple questions are asked time and time again. A simple search would reveal if this question has been asked a lot before. If you can't see it after a little while (no-one is expecting you to trawl through over 12 months of posts!), then you can safely assume that it either hasn't been asked, or it has, but not very often, in which case, you probably won't get a rude reply. When we can, the moderators will encourage users to be as friendly as possible to each other, but you must remember that we're not full-time employees of TV Forum, and indeed, this is just as much a hobby for us as it is for you. It helps greatly when problems are reported, as this draws our attention to it quickly, and we can decide whether it is worthy of action. If things are just left in a thread without mention to us, it may go unnoticed.

Regarding the busy page, I don't have any idea why it is appearing more now than it used to. I hope Asa might be able to provide an insight into that one.

I hope that's answered a few queries. At the end of the day, this is a free site operated out of the goodness of Asa's heart, and you are under no obligation to continue visiting TV Forum if you feel it isn't the place for you.

EDIT - just to respond to the above post, I completely agree with you about the large general threads. If you wish to post a topic on BBC News or ITV News etc. outside the general thread, please feel free to do so. It doesn't say in the rules that you must post in designated threads, and I for one wouldn't enforce sanctions on a member for doing so.

itsrobert - to me you seem to be the ONLY person who seems to actually understand what TV FORUM is about - you said it yourself - "HOBBY".

May I ask one question to the moderators - Do you actually care if a mock design is within safe areas? I mean really...do you care? - I know i sure-as-heck dont - i believe the mock to be what I would see on screen not what would be broadcast from the studio.

Also itsrobert - for once I have seen a nice friendly post which tries to conclude a million points into 3 conclusions - You must be congradulated on this - Well Done!

I hope TVForum doesn't disappear but I certainly feel it is too serious a place, and, having visited TV ARKs forums I can safely say they do seem more relaxed and to be fair we have about as many stupid topics as they do.

The ONLY part of this forum which I aggree should be taken seriousley is that of Library Music - No matter how poor the quality is, as someone who knows a library music composer, I know how he feels when his songs are lsitened to or is used and he isn't getting paid for it.

Again - Think About It!

For someone making so many and quite strong accusations about TV Forum, I'd suggest that you are generalising a bit too much. If you recognise that the members of TV Forum (and TV Ark) aren't one big posse who live in the same room, and realise that people are here for different reasons, then it would be a bit more useful.



This point, to me, summarises the whole great big paradox that is the TV Forum universe. People complain that mocks are posted and nobody makes any comments about them. YET when someone suggests safe areas are adhered to, it's a massive slur. I for one see this as constructive criticism... yet you find it pointless. Once again, realise that not everyone is the same and treat the place with a bit of distance. I often laugh at this forum and that's the way it should be.



Once again, a massive generalisation. I pride myself in the fact I can make quite complicated arguments and sum them up in simple terms, neatly organised. And my god this place needs it sometimes.

It's "congratulated" by the way.



This is an area that can be debated forever. And as such I will make one point only. People with your view seem to overlook the massive fact that this is not a commercial forum, nor will the music swapped by its members be used for broadcast or commercial purposes. In my opinion, the writers of library music should be - and I would imagine are, to a large extent - proud that their music is swapped on a forum like this. They are losing nothing at all.

Hehehe, thanks for the compliments! Regarding your mocks question; I must admit, I have no interest whatsoever in mocks, and - although I ought to - I rarely venture into that forum. (Again, another reason why problems should be reported, as it's impossible to read every post in every forum.) I think MrTomServo has more of an interest in mocks, so he tends to keep an eye on that forum, not that it really needs close scrutiny.

For me, I can see both sides to the "safe areas" - on the one hand, mocking is only a bit of fun, but I can understand that some people are just pointing out safe areas to help designers make their mocks as realistic as possible. Perhaps it's the way some members put it across that makes it look like they're taking it too seriously. As I said, perhaps MrTomServo would be better to provide more insight on this one.

Im afraid that you have both missed my point about the "Safe Areas" remark - You have said it is "Suggested" to do safe areas and this is Constructive Critisism - I aggree that this would be constructive...

However, may I Suggest you look through some of the mocks and mock deisgns and see just how many times that safe areas are "Suggested" and how many times the mocker is TOLD to remake the design so it is in Safe Areas or that the Mocker "Learn how to mock properly for TV" - I do not see these as constructive remarks but hurtful remarks - In future I will be using the "report This Post" button on any post which Tells the mocker to use safe areas among other things - you have asked for posts to be reported so I will be doing this.

For DAS:

Also, I do not see your remark on my spelling of congratulated to be of any use other than to "Have A Go" at me - This is exactly what this topic is about - Childish Behaviour, there was no need for the "and it's Congratulated by the way" sentence...it was written in order to hurt my feelings - may I suggest that if you take a leading role in stopping writing such useless and hurtful remarks then others will hopefully follow suit and eventually this place will become friendly again. With your remark to my spelling you have no diea who I am or if I have a condition which makes me unable to always type correctly or spell correctly, you should maybe think about this the next time you write a personal remark directly aimed at someone. As the old phrase goes - "Think before you open your mouth" - well why not in future you click "Preview Post" and read it - maybe then you will see that a remark may be seen as hurtful by the reader.

For the third time - Think About It!

...it's known as a joke / sarcasm / irony / et al etc...



You said this forum was too serious? Perhaps you, too, are taking things too seriously? If you reckon my sole purpose in life is to hurt your feelings, I'd say that you are.



Well unless you place a summary of your condition in your signature, I am unable to read your mind. It is especially hard over the internet. So perhaps you ought to Think About It before you start going down that route of discrimination matey.

You see, I'm so used to putting up with the communication skills of a French monkey in this forum... but they, too, could have special conditions, couldn't they?



For the first time - Don't Patronise Me.

Anyway, I sense that continuing this debate will add nothing nor get anywhere useful - so I'd suggest we stop. I wouldn't want to take things too seriously now.

Das -

All I was saying was that your "Sarcastic" remark was designed to have a go at me - which it was (thast what sarcasm is - its a ncie way of taking the p**s.

I am not very serious and I do not feel that your sole purpsoe in life is to hurt me - far from it.

However, I feeel that many of the posetrs are - I forgot to comment on your earleir and excellent psot on my gross generalisation - I sincerely apologise for this, however, it is true that many of the people take this forum too seriousley.

To get back on topic and to add a good reply to the original post - I do not feel that TV Home Forum should close, but merely get more relaxed. I am glad to see that moderator interferance is minimal in the editing/deleting and locking of posts/topics.

However Das, I do not feel that I should have to disclose any medical condition I may have in My Signature - That is discrimination, but just so as you know I am a dyslexic and although I did not actually get upset at your comment on my spelling, I flet you had no right to say it, I am pretty sure that I am not going to cause anyone else to spell congratulated with a D. Every post I mak eon this forum I have to read through 3 or 4 times to find most spelling errors, so you do not normally see my typing, however, i have elft this post unedited so that you vascan see exactly how poor my typing is.

Aslo, my end caption "Think About It" was not aimed at you - it wa siamed at any reader reading it. I was not attempting to patronise you.

Cheers
LiviBoy

All fair comments.

The main point I was making with the signature suggestion was that I can't mind read and had no idea that you had a condition - as such I thought it was a bit unfair to accuse me of deliberately upsetting you. All I intended to do was shove in a sarcastic comment which I am very prone to around TV Forum. Apologies if it came out any differently.

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Back all those years to the point of the thread, I'll clarify what I meant by this forum being less serious than TV Ark.

I think what's happened is that when TV Forum started up, people discussed TV presentation - which is useful, otherwise it would have been called Fishfinger Forum or something. Anyway, over the three years since, it's evolved into a more general forum and people have got to know each other very well (perhaps too well?!). That means arguments and the like will happen, and people get too relaxed. I think I'm not the only one who hates this place yet loves it at the same time and can't get away! I now come here for the joking around and the people instead of purely the TV presentation bit.

If you compare this to TV Ark, TV Ark is where TV Forum WAS. I feel that TV Ark is a more serious forum because it is the place to discuss LWT idents in the 1970s. Here, you'd get a more lackluster response to that one!

So what I'm saying is that TVF IS more relaxed than its counterparts - and "outsiders" (to be un-politically correct) who aren't used to it or as involved will criticise it for being too childish and uptight when it really isn't.

I need a lie down now.

Ok Das,

I feel that I must apologise to YOU for any remark I have made in your direction which you may have felt a bit peeved with.

I see your point on the TV Ark Forum and its relation to TV Forums more known-people mood - which could be the problem. The fact that older members (or should I Say Wiser?) knows how everyone else is - quite unnerving for new memebrs who don't want to annoy anyone.

However, i think the admin/moderators should sort out the mocks forum for older posts where the mocks are no longer live (the dreaded red X or File not Found error) - However this is for another time.

Cheers
LiviBoy

Well it depends on what you're asking for. To be honest, I am getting sick of people constantly asking for BBC News music and BBC pips!!

Perhaps there should be an FAQ or sticky at the top of the requests forum with some permanent links to said pieces of music so people can just go into that thread, click the links and have their files. Works both ways - people get what they want and people don't get peed off with the same requests again and again and again.

And whatever happened to the oh-so-wonderful FAQ after the revamp? I swear that there were more than 4 questions on it! And whatever happened to the separate sections for each forum?

With regards to the point of text speak being used outside of a mobile phone, I absolutely despise it and do tend to come down hard (so to speak) on those who choose to use it. Just take a look at the CBBC boards for example - there are so many posts on there with apostrophes missing between the I and the m to make "Im" and lots of textual abbreviations which are pretty much like trying to read Russian. Don't let standards slip - or we may get tits like them on here who think it's OK to write in text speak!

Although I might be a stickler for using correct English, I don't expect everybody to come on here to have an A* in A-level English. So long as you can write clearly, spell correctly as best you can (I accept that not everybody's spelling isn't great - even I have trouble spelling certain words right at times) and not use text speak in any form (even if it means placing an apostrophe between the I and the m!) then you won't get jumped on by people or any rude remarks directed at you.

It's not that I don't like people who can't spell/write very well or have dyslexia. The people who I can't stand are those who can't be ársed to bloody well write in in coherent and erudite English (when they can in reality!)and would rather be lazy and write in text speak instead!

I shall get off my soapbox for now. I'm absolutely knackered.