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PE
Pete Founding member North Reporting Scotland
The GMB thread is quite useful with knowing when Piers Morgan is going to be on holiday in advance so I can tune in on those dates.


Isn't that what the calendar on the homepage is for?
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BR
Brekkie Wales Wales Today
Don't even joke about that.
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AS
Asa Admin Meridian (South East) South East Today
I don't fundamentally have an issue with long running threads although I've never been fan. I think there are some very minor developments which could be dropped into a larger thread. If I saw SET opted slightly late for a lunchtime bulletin I might want to mention it, but wouldn't necessarily create a new topic as I know it's unlikely to generate much discussion.

The problem with megathreads is they tend to breed mind-numbing discussion and bury genuinely interesting developments and it's that which I'm sure we all want to avoid. Fundamentally there's a real reluctance to create new topics and I'm not entirely sure why. Someone could probably do a whole Ted talk on the psychology of it. The worst case scenario for anyone is that their post just gets folded into a larger thread by us but that's very unlikely to happen. The "submit as new topic" button has been next to useless, I don't think it's used. The button and messaging has been quite subtle, so as as first step I'm going to move it into a popup for those to try and push people to consider a new thread. Certainly the sport and international presentation threads would be good to wind down - the Morgenmagazin rebrand alone deserved not to be buried in the international/German pres threads.

FWIW a Loose Women thread made sense for the anniversary/move/BAME discussion etc. but I don't see how anything else from that programme at the moment could fall under the type of discussion we have here. Talking about Loose Women isn't banned, any more than any other programme is. GMB was closed really to just draw a line under the current type of conversations in there. I think sometimes that has a bit more impact than a quick message from a mod half way down a page. If someone feels something significant has happened and wants to talk about it, a thread can be created no problem.

I don't see how Loose Women doesnt belong on a TV forum....Its a daily talk show on TV....This is TV Forum, not News Forum. I can see how the rota talk gets out of hand, but if you don't like it, don't read it. There are people who are genuinely curious as to who is on the show each day...

This is one that has a very easy answer - this site isn't for that kind of post. As others have mentioned, it's best to record it if that's where your interest is.
DW
DavidWhitfield Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Asa posted:
Fundamentally there's a real reluctance to create new topics and I'm not entirely sure why. Someone could probably do a whole Ted talk on the psychology of it.


I'll put it succinctly and be entirely honest about how I feel here - I'd say it's as simple as: people don't want to have other members kick off at them for 'doing it wrong'.

I've seen - many times - someone set up a thread only to be given sarcastic comments in response along the lines of 'there's already a thread for this Rolling Eyes ', or 'why have you set up a new thread just to say this? Shocked'

Personally, if you'd asked me (before TV Forum's very own version of 'lockdown') about my view on creating a new thread, I'd've told you that I wouldn't dare open up a new thread for this very reason.

I fear this change in advice about threads is very confusing for the members who weren't here to remember the 'good old days' of this forum's creation in the early noughties and have only ever known the large, general, programme-specific threads like the GMB, Loose Women, and This Morning ones.
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NL
Ne1L C Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Asa posted:
Fundamentally there's a real reluctance to create new topics and I'm not entirely sure why. Someone could probably do a whole Ted talk on the psychology of it.


I'll put it succinctly and be entirely honest about how I feel here - I'd say it's as simple as: people don't want to have other members kick off at them for 'doing it wrong'.

I've seen - many times - someone set up a thread only to be given sarcastic comments in response alongside the lines of 'there's already a thread for this Rolling Eyes ', or 'why have you set up a new thread just to say this? Shocked'

Personally, if you'd asked me (before TV Forum's very own version of 'lockdown') about my view on creating a new thread, I'd've told you that I wouldn't dare open up a new thread for this very reason.

I fear this change in advice about threads is very confusing for the members who weren't here to remember the 'good old days' of this forum's creation in the early naughties and have only ever known programme-specific threads like the GMB, Loose Women, and This Morning ones.


Very well put. Forums like these are built on respect and that respect grows but sadly there are a few who ruin it for everyone else with sarky remarks.

I avoid the mega threads because the chances are they're full of nit-picking over the minutiae of different shows and thread which have a fantastic amount of promise in the beginning are quickly worn down and rapidly become "zombified"

Now I'm aware that there are those who like those sorts of threads but they can end up like "japanese knotweed". I know I said this several posts ago but one option is a "miscellany" thread where those that enjoy talking about minutiae can post to their heart's content.
DO
dosxuk Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Unusually in this case, it's actually the newer members who like to jump on other posters and try to get topics moved to the mega-threads, rather than the older members who were used to things before we had such things.

Back in those days, it was a problem that every little thing would get put in it's own thread, often with no replies, and often of note but not worthy of discussion. So the mega threads were agreed as a way forward, to collect that stuff, but not to replace threads for things that are worthy of discussion. Sadly, as Asa says, too many people are afraid to create new topics.

At least the "I want a thread to discuss <random genre>" type threads which actually have no content have always been nuked pretty quickly.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
Asa posted:
Fundamentally there's a real reluctance to create new topics and I'm not entirely sure why. Someone could probably do a whole Ted talk on the psychology of it.


I'll put it succinctly and be entirely honest about how I feel here - I'd say it's as simple as: people don't want to have other members kick off at them for 'doing it wrong'.

I've seen - many times - someone set up a thread only to be given sarcastic comments in response along the lines of 'there's already a thread for this Rolling Eyes ', or 'why have you set up a new thread just to say this? Shocked'

Personally, if you'd asked me (before TV Forum's very own version of 'lockdown') about my view on creating a new thread, I'd've told you that I wouldn't dare open up a new thread for this very reason.


Forum Etiquette generally dictates that its better to post in an existing thread than to start a new one, but as I've bored everybody with previously in the thread there are reasons not to do this (plus on some forums the answer to the question can be found via the search button and on some forums its preferred to make a new thread, but the general rule unless advised otherwise is to where possible to post in an existing thread). Also it used to be generally accepted practice to lurk for a long while to figure out the culture of the board before you join, but these days, that rarely happens, and once they've seen the Requests forum, patience of lurking goes out the window.

People are too used to the way that Facebook, Twitter and Whatsapp work when it comes to the way they lay messages out. Twitter just shows everything as a flat form response to an initial tweet and doesn't "thread" as such, and Whatsapp doesn't have any concept of threads, its just message after message with the occasional quote.

So Joe Public comes to a proper web forum like this, and they haven't a clue how to use it properly, or at least in the way forums are supposed to work. As the rota threads have shown they get treated like its a slow motion chat room.
CR
Critique Anglia (East) Look East
I've never got the fear of creating a new thread myself, but I think that having the megathreads means that even people who aren't worried about what might happen if they create a new topic are disinclined to do so.

Maybe the people who occasionally try to pip DVB Cornwall to the post on creating the megathread for the following year's Eurovision as soon as that year's contest finishes could offer a Ted talk on how they psyche themselves up for it?
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LE
Lester Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
TV Forum is going back to being about presentation like it was originally? Problem is these days, things seem to stay the same for much longer...

Maybe create a defined TV Home Forum presentation section and then a general TV discussion section. That way you can ignore the bits you aren't interested in?

TV Forum's name conjures a wide remit if it really is just about presentation.
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NL
Ne1L C Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Unusually in this case, it's actually the newer members who like to jump on other posters and try to get topics moved to the mega-threads, rather than the older members who were used to things before we had such things.

Back in those days, it was a problem that every little thing would get put in it's own thread, often with no replies, and often of note but not worthy of discussion. So the mega threads were agreed as a way forward, to collect that stuff, but not to replace threads for things that are worthy of discussion. Sadly, as Asa says, too many people are afraid to create new topics.

At least the "I want a thread to discuss <random genre>" type threads which actually have no content have always been nuked pretty quickly.


I’m not scared of creating new topics I’m scared of replying for fear of getting attacked for what I say. I’m not going to go into detail but some of the replies have been to my mind downright disgusting.

Freedom of opinion seems to be under attack by (and I hate this phrase but can’t think of an alternative) cancel culture.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
Freedom of opinion seems to be under attack by (and I hate this phrase but can’t think of an alternative) cancel culture.


With freedom comes responsibility. I might have the freedom to shout "Fire!" in a crowded (pre Covid) environment, but that doesn't mean its a responsible thing to do unless there happens to be a oxygen-fuelled inferno raging.
NL
Ne1L C Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Of course we have to be responsible for the way in which conduct ourselves. I could cough violently in a pre Covid bus but that would be irresponsible unless I was choking.

Freedom to say what we want within reason is highly important but if we’re not responsible we’ll lose that freedom.

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