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Ne1L C
Can anyone explain why back in the 1970's London had no regional news until Nationwide?

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/d70bb77b409e4a9dbb04ea353e0b77ce
DV
DVB Cornwall
Resources weren't allocated to it. The general pretext being that what happened in London during the daytime would be important enough to be covered nationally in the Lunchtime Bulletin anyway. Not ideal, but from recall I don't think it was much of an issue at the time.
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A former member
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/3f56af2691ea46e8a54c26fa82cf9eae Good to see BBC Scotland programming heading doon south

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/a77db3d350f34b18b1da67a168e11fff Good to see some official record of this comedy about TV from 1999.
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Inspector Sands
Resources weren't allocated to it. The general pretext being that what happened in London during the daytime would be important enough to be covered nationally in the Lunchtime Bulletin anyway. Not ideal, but from recall I don't think it was much of an issue at the time.

In the early days of Radio 4, there was 'South East News': http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f61864da27924ce28dd558e048a6c9a6
This seems to be in the listings until a few weeks before BBC Radio London started in October 1970
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 21 October 2014 11:50am
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DVB Cornwall
R4 local news opts on FM only for the rest of England continued into the early 1980's scheduled at 0655, 0755, 1255 and 1755 in place of the weather/trailer sequence on LW.
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Steve in Pudsey
They weren't all FM only - Morning Sou'west in Devon and Cornwall, which I think was a complete opt out from Today, was on Medium Wave
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DVB Cornwall
South West was an anomaly LW signals didn't penetrate these far flung parts so we got LW service on MW repeaters, It was therefore easy to insert FM programming on these MW sites. The local programming continued until BBC Cornwall and BBC Devon began. Lunchtime SW being another opt out. BBC Plymouth had a strong presence on the old Home Service opts, that was the reason for this exception to the norm of the NN55 opts outlined above which occurred elsewhere.
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Markymark
They weren't all FM only - Morning Sou'west in Devon and Cornwall, which I think was a complete opt out from Today, was on Medium Wave


Yes it was, I think because it was able to be ? R4's MW transmitters (after Nov 78 ) in the region only covered the SW region, but I'm not sure whether that was just post Nov 78 after R4 moved to LW ? Before Nov 78, when R4 was MW nationally, and Start Point on 1052 kHz carried R4/Home Service to a far wider area of Southern Britain.
MA
Markymark
Resources weren't allocated to it. The general pretext being that what happened in London during the daytime would be important enough to be covered nationally in the Lunchtime Bulletin anyway. Not ideal, but from recall I don't think it was much of an issue at the time.

In the early days of Radio 4, there was 'South East News': http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/f61864da27924ce28dd558e048a6c9a6
This seems to be in the listings until a few weeks before BBC Radio London started in October 1970


The SE news opts at xx55hrs carried on until about 1980. They were carried on Wrotham FM.
There was also an Southern England version on Rowridge and Brighton, frequently voiced by Bruce Parker.
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Robert Williams Founding member
Talking of South East news, moving back to television, it's fascinating to discover how muddled the situation was with regards to the region's early evening news in the late 60s and early 70s, unlike all other regions where it was all nice and simple and there was Midlands Today or Look North five days a week all the way through from the early 60s onwards.

Although Town and Around was the South East magazine from Monday to Friday for most of the 1960s, at the start of 1969 it got reduced to Wednesdays only, with a second regional programme starting on Fridays, London This Week. Then on other weekdays they just gave up and put things like American sitcoms on.

When Nationwide started in September 1969, it was only on Tuesday-Thursday. Town and Around got the chop, London This Week moved from Friday to Monday, and on Fridays there were US sitcoms or cookery programmes or something called Europe This Week for a while in 1970.

Although for most of the Nationwide era, the South East news was presented by the national team, for the first couple of years, it formed more of a stand-alone segment with its own presenter, set and theme tune. As Genome shows, the London edition of Radio Times listed the combined programme for the first year under the title 'London - Nationwide'.

On some occasions when Nationwide was off air, for example on 19th November 1969 to make way for moon walk coverage, the regional segment still aired, titled simply 'London'.

From January 1971 London This Week, which still seems to have been something entirely separate from Nationwide and unrelated to 'London', appeared on both Mondays and Fridays. At some point around 1971 the London/South East news became fully integrated into Nationwide, and then London This Week disappeared altogether in September 1972 when Nationwide was finally extended to five days a week, and it all becomes a bit simpler!
MA
Markymark
Talking of South East news, moving back to television, it's fascinating to discover how muddled the situation was with regards to the region's early evening news in the late 60s and early 70s, unlike all other regions where it was all nice and simple and there was Midlands Today or Look North five days a week all the way through from the early 60s onwards.


It was just as muddled over on ITV. I can only remember the early 70s onwards, but
neither Thames nor LWT carried any regional news as such. Thames had the 'Today'
programme 18:00 to 18:30 Mon to Friday, which was more of a magazine format, a bit like
The One Show I suppose, I don't recall any regional news as such on there ?

Thames at Six replaced Today in 1977 (probably accelerated by the Sex Pistols incident ?)
so from then weekdays were sorted, but it took the IBA to step in and forced LWT and Thames
to collaborate on a 7 day service from Jan 82.

What happened during the AR/ATV years ?
IS
Inspector Sands
Thames had the 'Today'
programme 18:00 to 18:30 Mon to Friday, which was more of a magazine format, a bit like
The One Show I suppose, I don't recall any regional news as such on there ?



I think all the various regional news programmes elsewhere were a lot more magaziney. From clips I've seen of programmes like Day By Day the 'news' was a seperate item within the programme, and what there was of course was mostly reads with slides.


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Thames at Six replaced Today in 1977 (probably accelerated by the Sex Pistols incident ?)
so from then weekdays were sorted, but it took the IBA to step in and forced LWT and Thames
to collaborate on a 7 day service from Jan 82.



There wasn't really a 7 day service until Carlton came along in 1993.

After 1982 Thames provided a bulletin for LWT on Friday evening but LWT's own news was very limited, just a basic read by the announcer, I think provided by LBC radio. In the late 80's LWT started a proper news service, albeit made by an independent at first

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