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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
Realised after watching the Gavin and Stacey boxset on the iPlayer (despite having the DVD) in the lead up to the Christmas episode that I don't think I've used the DVD player all year.

BritBox seems to be selling itself on archive content rather than new content or movies, so is somewhat of a point of difference to how Netflix and Amazon market themselves (although of course both have plenty of archive content). What I struggle with is with the iPlayer extending their windows and generally speaking BBC content being more marketable than ITV content is what is the point of subscribing when more revent premium content is available for free?
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London Lite Founding member London London
Realised after watching the Gavin and Stacey boxset on the iPlayer (despite having the DVD) in the lead up to the Christmas episode that I don't think I've used the DVD player all year.

BritBox seems to be selling itself on archive content rather than new content or movies, so is somewhat of a point of difference to how Netflix and Amazon market themselves (although of course both have plenty of archive content). What I struggle with is with the iPlayer extending their windows and generally speaking BBC content being more marketable than ITV content is what is the point of subscribing when more revent premium content is available for free?


The Britbox archive stuff is usually over a year old, which will be the limit that they can be hosted on iPlayer.

ITV also have their own VoD service for which they won't want to canniblise by moving the content straight across.

Incidentally at the end of Call the Midwife, the CA plugged the show's complete seasons are on iPlayer now as well, so that's probably why it hasn't been added to Britbox, although I'd prefer to watch them on Britbox in 1080p than 720p on iPlayer.
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UKnews
Realised after watching the Gavin and Stacey boxset on the iPlayer (despite having the DVD) in the lead up to the Christmas episode that I don't think I've used the DVD player all year.

BritBox seems to be selling itself on archive content rather than new content or movies, so is somewhat of a point of difference to how Netflix and Amazon market themselves (although of course both have plenty of archive content). What I struggle with is with the iPlayer extending their windows and generally speaking BBC content being more marketable than ITV content is what is the point of subscribing when more revent premium content is available for free?

Incidentally at the end of Call the Midwife, the CA plugged the show's complete seasons are on iPlayer now as well, so that's probably why it hasn't been added to Britbox, although I'd prefer to watch them on Britbox in 1080p than 720p on iPlayer.

I’d rather watch shows at 50p on iPlayer than 25p on Britbox, which makes far more of a difference than 720p vs 1080p. (Even if Call the Midwife wouldn’t be one of those affected.)
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james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
To be fair, quality is still affected to an extent when you're filmising a 50i master, which Call The Midwife still is, even if the content was shot at 25p (25PsF I believe is the proper term for 25p material in a 50i wrapper). It's still effectively cutting the resolution down from 1080 to 540 unless they're explicitly not de-interlacing the footage and showing both fields at the same time. So the 1080p version of Call The Midwife on Britbox could be lower quality than the 720p version on iPlayer depending on how they've handled the interlacing.
Last edited by james-2001 on 6 January 2020 8:56pm - 2 times in total
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noggin Founding member
To be fair, quality is still affected to an extent when you're filmising a 50i master, which Call The Midwife still is, even if the content was shot at 25p (25PsF I believe is the proper term for 25p material in a 50i wrapper). It's still effectively cutting the resolution down from 1080 to 540 unless they're explicitly not de-interlacing the footage and showing both fields at the same time. So the 1080p version of Call The Midwife on Britbox could be lower quality than the 720p version on iPlayer depending on how they've handled the interlacing.


Nope - any decent deinterlacer will take 1080i25 masters containing 1080psf content and deliver significantly better resolution than 540p, and that also ignores the 1920 vs 1280 horizontal resolution difference between 1920x1080p and 1280x720p.

Only a really terrible bob deinterlacer will take 1080i25 and constantly deliver 540p equivalent resolution. Anything that does any form of motion detection, motion adaption, motion compensation or uses a decent vertical/temporal filter approach (i.e. any modern deinterlacer that anyone would actually use) will deliver >540p equivalent resolutio on psf content with no intra-frame motion. (1080i25 masters with 1080p25 content in them MAY have a degree of vertical pre-filtering to reduce interline twitter - but this is likely to be relatively mild, and still leave a reasonable amount of >540 line vertical resolution)

Heck even native interlaced content will deinterlace to better than 540p with any modern, decent, deinterlacer on static and slow moving elements)

1080i25 content containing 1080p25 acquired video, deinterlaced properly to 1080p50, looks a lot better than the same content deinterlaced and downscaled to 720p50.

If you are taking 1080i25 to 1080p25 - then again a decent deinterlacer will do a lot more than just discard source fields - though taking 1080i25 (whether p25 or p50/i25 native acquired) to p25 is not a great approach across the board - which is why a lot of us have issues with BritBox running at p25 not p50. iPlayer switched from p25 to p50 quite a few years ago for good reason - as have many other catch-up and OTT platforms (ARD and ZDF Mediathek in Germany, lots of the OTT pay platforms like CMore, Telia Play etc, in Scandinavia, even NowTV for sport)
Last edited by noggin on 8 January 2020 10:18am - 3 times in total
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thegeek Founding member London London
The Britbox archive stuff is usually over a year old, which will be the limit that they can be hosted on iPlayer.

it's not though - iPlayer currently has things like The Thick of It and League of Gentlemen in their entirety.
DV
DVB Cornwall West Country (West) Spotlight
It seems that the sequence of operations, providing programmes are not restricted, rules are ...

1. Does the BBC have unfettered rights to the Series?
Yes - BBCiPlayer and other streamers if they'll pay. No - 2.

2. Can the BBC afford the fee requested (or the rate card cost) to put the series on the iPlayer?
Yes - BBCiPlayer and other streamers if they'll pay the rights holders. No - 3.

3. Is the series worth the BBC selling to streamers and the BBC prepared to handle the admin for the fee to the rights holder?
Yes - No iPlayer but the BBC Sells to a streamer or group of streamers only and pays the rights holder. No - 4.

4. Does the BBC have residual rights to the programme?
Yes - The BBC advises the rights holders that they can sell on (and pay the BBC a rights fee) the programme to streamers of their choice No - 5.

5. The current rights holder offers the programme to streamers of their choice, possibly offering the BBC a limited iPlayer window too.

The Thick of It and League of Gentlemen seemingly in the first or second category. Doctor Who and Merlin similarly falls into that category.
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London Lite Founding member London London
With Doctor Who, the original 63-89 version is behind the paywall on Britbox, the 05-present version is on iPlayer.
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noggin Founding member
With Doctor Who, the original 63-89 version is behind the paywall on Britbox, the 05-present version is on iPlayer.


Which is annoying - because the 63-89 series would benefit from 720p50 on iPlayer, and the 05-present version would benefit from the 1080p25 on Britbox...
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IndigoTucker
Though archive SD doesn’t always make it to iPlayer as 720p50 Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
Though archive SD doesn’t always make it to iPlayer as 720p50 Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad


Funnily enough such content usually is 50Hz when watching it through the TV version (it is through Virgin Media anyway), but not through the web version.
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IndigoTucker
Weird isn't it - and you get the Sky version in full 1080i50 at a ridiculously high bitrate Surprised

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