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DVB Cornwall8,662 posts since 4 Dec 2003
Westcountry Spotlight
Interesting ....

Seems someone pressed the button a little early, YouView service is now back to Cinema only.



.... and more the odd 1080/25 Cinema content that was on the YV version over the past month in 'tests', intended or inadvertant we'll not know, seems to have been removed too in clearing down the error of last Thursday. The platform appears on a quick audit to be totally 720p again now.
noggin14,646 posts since 26 Jun 2001
Finally got round to watching some football on Now TV this afternoon. First time I've watched a match of any form of IPTV that looks as good as watching on linear tv.

Now (no pun intended) if they can increase the fps to 50 for all sports channels, NOW TV would be a credible alternative to spending a shed load on Sky or Virgin.


I wonder what bitrate they are using for 1080p50 streams. If they are h.264 I'd hope it was North of 10Mbs. iPlayer falls apart on some taxing stuff at 720p50 5.3Mbs, and has a lot less information to carry.

1080p50 = 104M/"pixels" per second source
720p50 = 46M/"pixels" per second source

It's not a linear relationship between pixels per second and bitrate - but it shows you the additional challenge.

"pixels" = 8-bit luminance sample sites (plus 1/4 of Cr and Cb chroma samples - as each Cr and Cb sample covers 4 luminance samples) (So for 4:2:0 8-bit h.264 you can think of the format as 12-bits per pixel. 4 x 8 bit Y samples and 1 x 8 bit Cr and 1 x 8 bit Cb per 2x2 sample grid)

Amazon Prime Video is using 11-12Mbs h.264 for their Tennis 1080p50 streaming according to my Apple TV 4K developer HUD. (128k AAC audio)
Last edited by noggin on 28 November 2019 12:47pm - 2 times in total
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London Lite10,877 posts since 4 Jan 2003
London London
Finally got round to watching some football on Now TV this afternoon. First time I've watched a match of any form of IPTV that looks as good as watching on linear tv.

Now (no pun intended) if they can increase the fps to 50 for all sports channels, NOW TV would be a credible alternative to spending a shed load on Sky or Virgin.


I wonder what bitrate they are using for 1080p50 streams. If they are h.264 I'd hope it was North of 10Mbs. iPlayer falls apart on some taxing stuff at 720p50 5.3Mbs, and has a lot less information to carry.

1080p50 = 104M/"pixels" per second source
720p50 = 46M/"pixels" per second source

It's not a linear relationship between pixels per second and bitrate - but it shows you the additional challenge.

"pixels" = 8-bit luminance sample sites (plus 1/4 of Cr and Cb chroma samples - as each Cr and Cb sample covers 4 luminance samples) (So for 4:2:0 8-bit h.264 you can think of the format as 12-bits per pixel. 4 x 8 bit Y samples and 1 x 8 bit Cr and 1 x 8 bit Cb per 2x2 sample grid)

Amazon Prime Video is using 11-12Mbs h.264 for their Tennis 1080p50 streaming according to my Apple TV 4K developer HUD. (128k AAC audio)


I can't confirm this, but what I'm hearing is 8Mbs for 1080/25 and 11-12 for the two Sky Sports channels in 1080/50.

If I recall, the 720/25 live streams are 4.8Mbs. The early days of NOW TV was strictly 2.5Mbs for live Ent and 3.5/4 for sport.
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Neil Jones5,651 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Tried to take that up but disappears when you log in so cancelled expecting a nice "stay with us" offer as a result and got a just a 3 months for £4.99 offer.


I don't think you can have it if you already have active passes and it doesn't show up if you go to cancel. Mine had all expired from last year's deal and it looked like the offer wasn't going to be repeated until I spotted it by chance. Believe it expired yesterday.
DVB Cornwall8,662 posts since 4 Dec 2003
Westcountry Spotlight
The rule used to be applied that you were only permitted to have and accept a further offer if ....

1. You have no current pass for the genre being offered.
or
2. You have a current fully paid pass expiring in the next 30 days.
or
3. You have no previously reduced pass (ie a previous offer OR a free offer reduced to zero) queued to run after the expiry of a current pass (or series of passes for a multimonth deal).

Basically if you're currently watching say Cinema it's damn near impossible to get onto another Cinema Customer Direct offer unless you comply with a very restricted range of circumstances.

The lack of the facility to immediately cancel a running pass and revert to no current pass status without a refund stymies the possibilities too.
DVB Cornwall8,662 posts since 4 Dec 2003
Westcountry Spotlight
The clock is ticking for the BT/NOWTV linkup to occur this year. With the industry tech change Christmas and New Year blocks coming into effect in the week beginning 16 Dec 2019 if it doesn't materialise by Monday Week, we can forget about it until January 2020 at the earliest.

We'll see.