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noggin12,542 posts since 26 Jun 2001
The software itself isn't awful, TiVo is great and I couldn't live without wish lists. It's just the hardware that lets it down.


I think there is also an element that the software isn't optimised for the hardware. The original Thomson S1 Tivos (which were sold with SCART inputs and outputs in the UK) were as responsive and fluid (and a lot more hackable) than the equivalent first gen SD Sky + boxes.

There is also an element of Tivo moving to Flash-like media streaming (of third party streams) - whereas Sky have stuck to a download model where they completely control (and can optimise) almost all (if not all) of the content the box plays, ensuring it is in a codec and wrapper that the box can handle smoothly with the hardware it has. (A bit like non-Tivo Virgin VOD used to)
Stuart6,642 posts since 13 Oct 2003
Westcountry Spotlight
Here's what it looks like, Stuart had commented on it in the BBC News thread.

The services screen has also had an overhaul, but its not pictured here...


Here is the Services Menu, which is an odd place to put Radio . . .

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I had a look at the 'My Account' option, which no longer dials up to get the information, so this must now be downloaded to the protected portion of the hard disk . . .

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One nice new feature I like, is a little progress bar on the planner which shows how much of a recording you have viewed, and a 'Continue' tab which groups together all your partly-viewed recordings:

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MetalGearRex1,182 posts since 11 May 2016
London London
Virgin have awful software on their boxes far too slow, it's unacceptable!

And ever since the new update, the TiVo boxes have become far more slow, though it's not representative of every user.

Unfortunately, the CPU and flash code is what severely hampers the TiVo, as the load is generally forced onto the CPU. There is a second core, but that's been disabled.
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MetalGearRex1,182 posts since 11 May 2016
London London
Luckily a new TiVo box is being released in the new year.

It might been unappealing in the aesthetics category - but at least it'll be faster than the original TiVo that launched in 2011.
The TiVo's UI looks decent, and I especially like the layout of the EPG - it's just that the hardware is shockingly outdated.

Not as bad as the Top Up TV Anytime box and TalkTalk's YouView boxes in regards to speed.
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MetalGearRex1,182 posts since 11 May 2016
London London
How can you be sure the software will run faster? They've never optimised it for the current TiVo boxes. I wouldn't put it past them to be so oblivious again.

Virgin have recently been trying to improve their TV service after neglecting it for years, but the recent update crippling the speed of TiVo boxes says otherwise. Either way, speed is something that VM should make a priority for the V6.

And as for the V6 running faster, a post in the Digital Spy VM forum talked about the V6 being in testing - and apparently initial tests have shown it is faster than the current boxes, though I'm not sure about this.
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Larry the Loafer4,640 posts since 2 Jul 2005
Granada North West Today
I have very low expectations of V6. It's clear Virgin put most of their efforts behind their broadband offerings. Only very recently have channels such as TruTV and Spike turned up on VM despite them being on Freeview for ages... though I might be a little more bitter about that delay than most mainly because TruTV dropped Conan before VM got hold of it.
MetalGearRex1,182 posts since 11 May 2016
London London
My mum's Sky HD box has just updated with the new look. Anyone else here think this is a SkyQ lookalike menu?

They're pushing the On Demand aspect of Sky with the new update.

Elsewhere, all Sky TV bundles now include Sky Q for new customers - the Sky+HD box is no longer being sold, but it's being supported for the foreseeable future.

Probably the first step in Sky upgrading the platform to DVB S2, and I'd imagine that SD boxes will be pulled off completely by then. The SD box support is keeping Sky Box Office and to a lesser extent, Sky2, on life support.

Also this is classic Sky - introduce a new product and then push for faster take up of the new services, echoing what they did with Sky Digital and Sky+.
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Neil Jones3,874 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
My mum's Sky HD box has just updated with the new look. Anyone else here think this is a SkyQ lookalike menu?

They're pushing the On Demand aspect of Sky with the new update.

Elsewhere, all Sky TV bundles now include Sky Q for new customers - the Sky+HD box is no longer being sold, but it's being supported for the foreseeable future.


Ooh, that's interesting, it used to cost more to upgrade to SkyQ from Sky+HD, to the tune of an extra £12 a month as you're obliged to take Multiroom by the looks of it. Yet for new customers that doesn't apply.

And SkyHD boxes are easily available anyway on the second hand market for existing Sky+HD customers, so when they do pack up (which they rarely do anyway as they're quite reliable pieces of kit hardware wise) there's no need to jump up to SkyQ.

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Probably the first step in Sky upgrading the platform to DVB S2, and I'd imagine that SD boxes will be pulled off completely by then. The SD box support is keeping Sky Box Office and to a lesser extent, Sky2, on life support.


There are no end of channels only available in SD. I very much doubt those old boxes are going anywhere for a long while and I believe they still make up a chunk of the viewer base - not a majority I'm sure - but sizeable.

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Also this is classic Sky - introduce a new product and then push for faster take up of the new services, echoing what they did with Sky Digital and Sky+.


But that's how Sky works and how it has always worked - they've always done aggressive marketing of their latest and greatest. SkyQ isn't any different in that regard. The only real difference between it and Sky+ is that they own the SkyQ equipment (for the moment, that may change) whereas you owned the Sky+ hardware.