LL
London Lite
Founding member
When I trialed ITV Hub+ on Amazon Channels, I found issues with some of the content. Emailed ITV who fobbed me off to Amazon, with Amazon doing the same.
JA
It's one of the reasons I'd rather stay with broadcast TV and DVD/Blu-ray for now, when most internet streaming services are stuck at 24/25/30p even for 50/60hz content. It's a step backwards really.
Just thought I'd give the Amazon Prime TV Channel 7-day free trial a go. I had hoped that a sports channel would run at 50Hz, but no - all the live and on-demand stuff is a horrible 50->25Hz downconversion (the horrible bit refers to it taking place - not that it's a technically bad conversion) I've tried on both on an nVidia Shield running Android TV (configured 4K 50 Rec 709 output) and via the web browser on my laptop...
If iPlayer can do 50Hz - why on earth aren't premium services? Sport is shot at 50Hz for a reason...
If IP platform operators and service providers want us to ditch cable or satellite - they'll need to up their quality.
I get why NowTV runs at a lower quality - they want to be seen as a 'cheap and cheerful' alternative to 'fulll quality, full price' Sky.
I don't get why Amazon - who are pushing 4K and HDR - aren't also pushing full quality TV... Surely they want to be better than Sky or BT, not worse?
If iPlayer can do 50Hz - why on earth aren't premium services? Sport is shot at 50Hz for a reason...
If IP platform operators and service providers want us to ditch cable or satellite - they'll need to up their quality.
I get why NowTV runs at a lower quality - they want to be seen as a 'cheap and cheerful' alternative to 'fulll quality, full price' Sky.
I don't get why Amazon - who are pushing 4K and HDR - aren't also pushing full quality TV... Surely they want to be better than Sky or BT, not worse?
It's one of the reasons I'd rather stay with broadcast TV and DVD/Blu-ray for now, when most internet streaming services are stuck at 24/25/30p even for 50/60hz content. It's a step backwards really.
NG
It's one of the reasons I'd rather stay with broadcast TV and DVD/Blu-ray for now, when most internet streaming services are stuck at 24/25/30p even for 50/60hz content. It's a step backwards really.
Yep - but with some content (like the Winter Olympics) now moving from BBC Red Button and BBC iPlayer (high quality 720p50) streaming to Eurosport (which appears to be stuck at p25) - it's a real pain...
noggin
Founding member
Just thought I'd give the Amazon Prime TV Channel 7-day free trial a go. I had hoped that a sports channel would run at 50Hz, but no - all the live and on-demand stuff is a horrible 50->25Hz downconversion (the horrible bit refers to it taking place - not that it's a technically bad conversion) I've tried on both on an nVidia Shield running Android TV (configured 4K 50 Rec 709 output) and via the web browser on my laptop...
If iPlayer can do 50Hz - why on earth aren't premium services? Sport is shot at 50Hz for a reason...
If IP platform operators and service providers want us to ditch cable or satellite - they'll need to up their quality.
I get why NowTV runs at a lower quality - they want to be seen as a 'cheap and cheerful' alternative to 'fulll quality, full price' Sky.
I don't get why Amazon - who are pushing 4K and HDR - aren't also pushing full quality TV... Surely they want to be better than Sky or BT, not worse?
If iPlayer can do 50Hz - why on earth aren't premium services? Sport is shot at 50Hz for a reason...
If IP platform operators and service providers want us to ditch cable or satellite - they'll need to up their quality.
I get why NowTV runs at a lower quality - they want to be seen as a 'cheap and cheerful' alternative to 'fulll quality, full price' Sky.
I don't get why Amazon - who are pushing 4K and HDR - aren't also pushing full quality TV... Surely they want to be better than Sky or BT, not worse?
It's one of the reasons I'd rather stay with broadcast TV and DVD/Blu-ray for now, when most internet streaming services are stuck at 24/25/30p even for 50/60hz content. It's a step backwards really.
Yep - but with some content (like the Winter Olympics) now moving from BBC Red Button and BBC iPlayer (high quality 720p50) streaming to Eurosport (which appears to be stuck at p25) - it's a real pain...
JA
Though TV producers are obsessed 25p anyway these days, so someone out there probably think it looks "better" that way anyway...
I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.
I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.
NG
You don't find many sports directors who like 25p for action... There's a reason 4K UHD is 2160/50p not 2160/25p... They aren't switching the host broadcast feeds of any. major sporting events to 25p either...
25p often works well for the nicely shot features stuff, and I don't mind it being used to treat highlights in a similar manner...
noggin
Founding member
Though TV producers are obsessed 25p anyway these days, so someone out there probably think it looks "better" that way anyway...
I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.
I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.
You don't find many sports directors who like 25p for action... There's a reason 4K UHD is 2160/50p not 2160/25p... They aren't switching the host broadcast feeds of any. major sporting events to 25p either...
25p often works well for the nicely shot features stuff, and I don't mind it being used to treat highlights in a similar manner...
MA
You don't find many sports directors who like 25p for action...
They have nothing to do with those preview and retrospective highlights sequences then, in 25p, added grain, and totally screwed up gamma etc ?
Though TV producers are obsessed 25p anyway these days, so someone out there probably think it looks "better" that way anyway...
I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.
I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.
You don't find many sports directors who like 25p for action...
They have nothing to do with those preview and retrospective highlights sequences then, in 25p, added grain, and totally screwed up gamma etc ?
NG
You don't find many sports directors who like 25p for action...
They have nothing to do with those preview and retrospective highlights sequences then, in 25p, added grain, and totally screwed up gamma etc ?
In a word no... Those are produced by PSC directors/producers, or a VT producer - not the directors who cut the match usually.
Personally I don't find those objectionable - as they are trying to make a clear delineation between live coverage and retrospective 'narrative' stuff (25p and some grading really make that clear), but the sport director responsible for the match probably wouldn't have anything to do with those sequences, no...
I think that some of the elements of BBC Sport (and C4 Sport these days) "produced sequences" mean they are incredibly polished and visually creative, and so much better than if everything were shot 50i on a 2/3" camera and left ungraded in straight 709...
noggin
Founding member
Though TV producers are obsessed 25p anyway these days, so someone out there probably think it looks "better" that way anyway...
I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.
I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.
You don't find many sports directors who like 25p for action...
They have nothing to do with those preview and retrospective highlights sequences then, in 25p, added grain, and totally screwed up gamma etc ?
In a word no... Those are produced by PSC directors/producers, or a VT producer - not the directors who cut the match usually.
Personally I don't find those objectionable - as they are trying to make a clear delineation between live coverage and retrospective 'narrative' stuff (25p and some grading really make that clear), but the sport director responsible for the match probably wouldn't have anything to do with those sequences, no...
I think that some of the elements of BBC Sport (and C4 Sport these days) "produced sequences" mean they are incredibly polished and visually creative, and so much better than if everything were shot 50i on a 2/3" camera and left ungraded in straight 709...
JA
Admittedly this obsession with the "film look" pisses me off no matter what genre of programming it is, it's got completely ridiculous over the last 5 years or so.
JA
I saw an episode of the Antiques Roadshow being shot last year (wasn't planned, just happened to be where they were doing it that day), and they were definately still using proper TV cameras.