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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

Rkolsen posted:
noggin posted:
Rkolsen posted:
May not be the right place but I’ve noticed portions of this report on a woman who doesn’t feel pain in packages on multiple US networks. Does anyone know if the interview was done by the researchers or the BBC on a non exclusive basis (so she wouldn’t have to give multiple interviews)? The interview segments on other networks were clean (no embed gfx).


The BBC contributes content to EVN, Reuters and CBS (previously ABC) - so if that interview was specially shot by the BBC, they may have provided it to one or all of these outlets? If those stations have deals with EVN, Reuters or CBS - then that may have been a route to them getting the pictures?

In those situations the provided content could be either a 'clean effects' replay of the package (sync sound only, no graphics, no VO) or the interviews and cutaways/set-up shots roughly assembled.

I was just surprised as I have seen BBC footage on other networks (aside from the immediate partners at the time) but never an interview (all us networks subscribe to Reuters and are associate members of EVN). Perhaps it was newsworthy enough that the BBC put it up there or was asked to. Does anyone know if the BBC regularly contribute interviews like this to services like EVN and Reuters? I imagine interviews with politicians are shared more frequently.


Yes - the BBC is a major contributor to EVN, and often offers and provides content. I don't know how much is provided to Reuters.
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

Rkolsen posted:
May not be the right place but I’ve noticed portions of this report on a woman who doesn’t feel pain in packages on multiple US networks. Does anyone know if the interview was done by the researchers or the BBC on a non exclusive basis (so she wouldn’t have to give multiple interviews)? The interview segments on other networks were clean (no embed gfx).


The BBC contributes content to EVN, Reuters and CBS (previously ABC) - so if that interview was specially shot by the BBC, they may have provided it to one or all of these outlets? If those stations have deals with EVN, Reuters or CBS - then that may have been a route to them getting the pictures?

In those situations the provided content could be either a 'clean effects' replay of the package (sync sound only, no graphics, no VO) or the interviews and cutaways/set-up shots roughly assembled.
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

Rkolsen posted:
mapperuo posted:
Rkolsen posted:

Maybe Reuters is a permanent “source” in the gallery where EbS isn’t?


Aye that makes most sense Smile

Atleast that’s what’s I would assume, many galleries will have it set up so they don’t have to route it to the control room switcher. You can see the gallery stack in the multiviewer of various outside sources, however the monitor next to it has (in the past) showed various news agencies along with competitors.





There's a very big distinction between monitoring feeds (i.e. what you can see in a control room) and outside source feeds (i.e. what you can cut to air). There are many feeds you want to monitor but absolutely never want to be able to cut to air on an outside source (like your competitors)

Some agency feeds are permanently downlinked and will have permanent dedicated sources on a station router (EVN, Reuters etc.). Other sources will need to be booked 'ad hoc' and allocated to non-dedicated sources on the station router (in the BBC these are often called News Packages)
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EuronewsNBC coming in September

lhx1985 posted:
Very sluggish on becoming EuroNewsNBC though. Thought they'd have been more progress by now.


NBCEuroNews has a much better ring to it though doesn't it? EuroNewsNBC doesn't really read properly does it?
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The Murder of Jill Dando

Woodpecker posted:
noggin posted:
JamesLaverty1925 posted:

Would make sense. Somehow I can't imagine the likes of Anna Ford or Nicholas Witchell presenting the summaries.


Pretty certain Anna Ford presented the morning daytime summaries in the early 00s when she was the main presenter of The One O'Clock News ?(with Darren Jordon sharing the duties)

Similarly I think Huw or Fiona (or Sian if she was sitting in) presented the afternoon summaries before presenting The Six O'Clock News?

This was after the 'virtual blue' sets and titles had been replaced by the first generation of Lambie Nairn Ivory and Red titles with David Lowe music.


You are correct - as you say, whoever was presenting the One O'Clock News that day would do the morning summaries; likewise with the Six O'Clock News presenter and the afternoon summaries. Around 2003, the weekday summaries got their own title sequence (which was awful, IMO) and set of graphics, and were done in front of a slightly dodgy CSO of the newsroom, as you can see from 1:56 below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc_QI3hQh_E


Wow - don't think I've seen that 'look' since then!. Having seen it, I remember it well!
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The Murder of Jill Dando

JamesLaverty1925 posted:

Would make sense. Somehow I can't imagine the likes of Anna Ford or Nicholas Witchell presenting the summaries.


Pretty certain Anna Ford presented the morning daytime summaries in the early 00s when she was the main presenter of The One O'Clock News ?(with Darren Jordon sharing the duties)

Similarly I think Huw or Fiona (or Sian if she was sitting in) presented the afternoon summaries before presenting The Six O'Clock News?

This was after the 'virtual blue' sets and titles had been replaced by the first generation of Lambie Nairn Ivory and Red titles with David Lowe music.
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London Live

Rkolsen posted:
noggin posted:
Brekkie posted:
IIRC London Live didn't actually take the licence fee money available to them.

Sadly it is evident to get anywhere close to a budget to do a local channel justice it needs to be through the BBC, and frankly the demand isn't there for much beyond the content on BBC1, and I think even if they did go forward they'd focus on on demand and streaming content.


If only the BBC had been allowed to expand the Local TV trial they undertook in the mid-00s. If they could have found a way of working with local print media it could have been a win-win for both local journalism and viewers/readers.


What was the local tv trial? I can’t find anything.


It was an experiment that the BBC English regions trialled in the Midlands. They created local news content using multi-skilled VJ-style reporters across a BBC region (mainly centred around BBC local radio stations in that region) to build on the BBC Local websites that then existed (which have now also closed effectively due to competition concerns and BBC cost reductions). The video content was streamable via websites, but also looped on a Red Button stream. (The trial pre-dated Smartphone apps)

The theory was that the local radio/website operations could be upgraded to produce local video news content too, but after the trial finished, it was clear that it was politically too difficult for the BBC to continue to roll it out as a full service. The content was quite basic, but was a lot more watchable than the current UK local TV stuff (it was like Mustard TV in some ways)
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London Live

Markymark posted:
noggin posted:

The Local Mux is run at massively lower bitrates (as it uses a much more robust modulation scheme to mitigate the incredibly low powers the stations transmit at) and I have no idea what concatenation is going on from Playout to my TV but the picture quality is so low as to be borderline unwatchable on a reasonable sized screen.


Actually in most locations it's transmitted at broadly the power level correct to achieve parity with the main national muxes.

Crystal Palace transmits the London local mux at 30kW. The modulation scheme used is QPSK, which broadly
(all else being equal) gives a 8-10dB advantage over 64QAM. In other words, if the London Mux was transmitted at 64QAM it would need to be 250-300 kW to achieve the same coverage. The main six national
muxes at CP are 200 kW, so if anything it's super serving the area

Other local muxes in other cities are typically 5 to 10kW, which compares with 50 to 100 kW for the main muxes.

The special version of PSB 2 (aka D3/4) that Ridge Hill transmits to Gloucestershire was until a year ago, 64QAM at 10kW, it's now a QPSK transmission at 1 kW, (as it only carries a single channel (ITV 1 West). The coverage is identical.

Where the local muxes do differ, is most are on highly directional beams, so just because you can receive the national muxes from a Tx site, it doesn't necessarily follow you can receive the local mux. Also, they are far more 'interference limited' than the national muxes, because adjacent areas frequency share (though again being QPSK, this allows greater immunity)


I think we're saying the same thing from two different angles.

The QPSK (and low bitrate) is used to improve reception at lower powers, to match the coverage of the higher power muxes, that use less robust modulation (to deliver higher bitrates).
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London Live

Brekkie posted:
IIRC London Live didn't actually take the licence fee money available to them.

Sadly it is evident to get anywhere close to a budget to do a local channel justice it needs to be through the BBC, and frankly the demand isn't there for much beyond the content on BBC1, and I think even if they did go forward they'd focus on on demand and streaming content.


If only the BBC had been allowed to expand the Local TV trial they undertook in the mid-00s. If they could have found a way of working with local print media it could have been a win-win for both local journalism and viewers/readers.
Night Thoughts and Woodpecker gave kudos
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This Time with Alan Partridge

Aaron_2015 posted:
The BBC bosses clearly thought it was going to be more popular than it’s turned out to be. Very few programs do as badly as 1.6m on BBC One.


I think consolidated figures will be interesting - as the figures quoted here are just overnights. I wouldn't be surprised if it picked up a lot of viewers via iPlayer etc.
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London Live

623058 posted:
Why are we still paying for this ?


Only through advertising I believe.

ISTR London Live don't Playout via Comux, which was set-up with licence fee funds (they use Red Bee for Playout instead), and I don't think London Live receive any licence fee funds from sharing stories with the BBC (Like the STV local operations, I'm not sure they ever took part in that arrangement, unlike Thats and Made?)

One thing that is worth reminding posters from overseas who haven't actually had a chance to watch UK Local TV is just how poor the picture quality is.

The Local Mux is run at massively lower bitrates (as it uses a much more robust modulation scheme to mitigate the incredibly low powers the stations transmit at) and I have no idea what concatenation is going on from Playout to my TV but the picture quality is so low as to be borderline unwatchable on a reasonable sized screen.

The BBC PSB1 SD mux is 24Mbs (64QAM and 2/3 FEC) and the average bitrate for BBC One SD is 3Mbs, with peaks at 8.1Mbs because statmuxing is used, and BBC One SD carries largely HD originated content (so benefits from the oversampling). The BBC also use pretty good MPEG2 encoders.

The London Live mux is 9Mbs (QPSK and 3/4 FEC) and London Live is broadcast at a fixed 2.4Mbs, and a lot of the content is legacy, SD originated material (and their news studio uses DSLRs that do nothing to improve picture quality after encoding). Whatever the route the pictures take from Playout to my TV, London Live looks grim compared to BBC One SD. I'm guessing they use a fixed 2.4Mbs so that they can run a UK-wide statmux for the other national channels carried on the Local TV muxes, rather than having to have statmuxing for every local station.
Last edited by noggin on 27 March 2019 10:10am - 2 times in total
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Trade Test Transmission

JKDerry posted:

On a side note - why did the Welsh get exempt programming hours?


I think it was more that broadcasting additional programmes in Welsh didn't have an impact on English programming hours?