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Picture problems on GOLD

DVB Cornwall posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:
BTTV...

Gold HD Fine
Gold SD Apart from being in stretchy vision seems ok too.

Can't really compare, watching Gold is a rare thing for me to do.


james-2001 posted:
Gold SD isn't in stretchyvision unless that's how your box is set up (which admittedly if it's a Sky HD box you don't really have much choice).


I address the writer of the response to the first acronym in my statement. There is no control.


If you have a Sky HD box (rather than Sky Q) then you can run in AUTO mode which will output SD 576i 4:3 as 576p 4:3 correctly flagged and if your TV is configured correctly will switch to your preferred 4:3 mode.
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

The BBC have, I believe, migrated their EPG from a Red Bee-administered platform to an in-house platform. There are anomalies with the listings and EPG all over the place at the moment. For a couple of weeks almost all of the BBC channels on Sky were flagging HD shows as SD... Shows change title day-by-day seemingly, meaning they appear in different folders in the recordings planner etc...
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Brexit Dramarama

Rkolsen posted:
noggin posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
'Millbank' refers to a building that the broadcasters use (named after the road it's in called Millbank). The coverage of Parliament is done by a company called Bowtie


Yes - and Bowtie is now owned by NEP.

Yes, I’m familiar with Millbank (all the broadcasters have their base there). Didn’t know PARBUL outsourced it.


It was never in-house. BowTie (or their ancestors) have been contracted to provide Westminster parliamentary TV coverage since it started in 1989.

BowTie have a number of contracts for coverage of UK assemblies and parliaments I believe - including (I believe) the Greater London Authority (GLA) and the National Assembly for Wales.
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A question regarding professional video monitors

Also beware that some monitors aimed at computing or digital signage, although they have HDMI inputs, may not support 50Hz sources. (Just like many TVs sold in the US don't)

Whilst 50Hz support is universal on pretty much every TV sold in Europe it isn't guaranteed on monitors aimed at computers or digital signage displays.

That said, a lot of professional large-screen displays from companies like Sony, sold in Europe, are slightly modified versions of consumer TVs (and often still include tuners). The main differences are usually that they include a legacy RS232 port or similar for remote control from AV integration systems in meeting rooms etc (rather than just IR and consumer IP control)
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Brexit Dramarama

Inspector Sands posted:
Rkolsen posted:

So who controls the cameras as you mentioned Milbank?

'Millbank' refers to a building that the broadcasters use (named after the road it's in called Millbank). The coverage of Parliament is done by a company called Bowtie


Yes - and Bowtie is now owned by NEP.
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UKTV Split terms agreed

PFMC84 posted:
We have enough fragmented channels and programming diluting the market. We don't need a channel to cater to 'upmarket' cooking and another for 'downmarket' cooking. I'd say the two channels will be merged into one food/cooking brand for the UK market.


I guess that will very much depend on the analysis of advertising demographics and advertisement revenue generation + subscription income from the two existing services vs the cost of running two services (and commissioning/acquiring content for them both) rather than a single service. The two services are very different currently and presumably cater to significantly different audiences.

There may be perfectly viable business arguments for continuing with two services, or there may be a strong argument for merging them. I suspect unless people here have access to detailed financial breakdowns of the two services we aren't really able to make a particularly informed comment.
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Sky News | General Discussion

Rkolsen posted:
I’m watching Sky News via the Apple TV app and I’ve noticed that their breaking news ticker seems to stagger and flicker at points. The rest of the graphics and video (including high motion) come through perfectly. Is this normal? Or some 50hz to 59.94hz conversion issue?


What platform are you watching on?

The ticker looks juddery as heck on an Apple TV 4K outputting at 50Hz to a 50Hz capable display - and the tvOS developer HUD confirms that the source stream 720p25.

Absolutely nothing is smooth at 25p, but the ticker is particularly bad as it's too fast for 25fps... It must look horrific at 59.94Hz with added 25->59.94Hz judder.

it's a pity Sky News don't follow the BBC's lead and stream at 720p50 (deinterlaced from 1080i25), which delivers twice the temporal resolution, and ensures the ticker stays smooth.

(Sky's deinterlacing from i25 to p25 is quite 'jerky' so they may not be optimised for motion and instead for resolution, though the bitrate is generous at 4.8Mbs for the video)
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Split Personality

james-2001 posted:
I imagine loads of programmes go out these days with what would have been a 2 then, standards seem to have dropped so much.


People say that, but then look at most BBC One/ITV non-news factual and drama output - and the picture quality has seldom ever been better.

Drama shot on Alexa, factual shot on Amira and F55s, C300s or similar usually looks cracking. Planet Earth II and Blue Planet II in HDR UHD are stunning.

Sport shot on HDC2500/HDC54300s similarly.

Strictly, The Voice, X Factor studio pictures look vastly better than pretty much any studio shot on SD cameras, let alone SD tubed cameras.

Yes - there is video that News outlets use now that is poorer quality, but in days gone by the equivalent to that would often have just been still pictures and 3.5kHz phone line audio... Skype has really just replaced phonos, mobile phone video has replaced, well in many cases, nothing (previously we just wouldn't have had this content at all), and if people are going to tell me an Ikegami 79D is better than the camera in an iPhone XS for shooting a PTC...
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Split Personality

ttt posted:
bluecortina posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
I don't know what you mean about there being a clock or why there would need to be one, but there was always an on air glitch at 5:15 during whatever was on. Presumably they were careful lot to schedule an ad break to be on air at 5:15 on a Friday.


I don't see why any other region would see any glitch on a Friday, though of course they all got one on channel 4 at 0600 and 0925 every day


Yes, in all respects. Did you know that we had to give a programme grading for each programme (and agree a random selection with the local transmitter) even though C4 were the broadcasters? Must have been some sort of technicality. I ‘hated’ having to grade programmes and agree the result of my opinion with the transmitter engineers. I think you had to agree within half a point on the IBA scale. Very much more often than not you did agree but I never liked doing it.


Was this a London-only thing or did all regions have to do this?


I suspect it was an IBA thing to ensure circuits between ITV franchise holder and the IBA transmitters were OK/ensure IBA tech standards adhered to?
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BBC Breakfast - 2018 Refresh

what posted:
Rkolsen posted:
trivialmatters posted:
They can't use the 'real view' out of the Sport studio, or the 'real view' where the Breakfast studio is, because both pretty much face East and would be looking directly into the sunrise during transmission hours.


It can be handled properly. Using something like RoscoVIEW filters can more than adequately handle the sunrise. They use polarizing film on windows and lenses to control the amount of Sunlight through the windows.

Didn’t ITV spend thousands installing that in Studio 7 for Daybreak only for them to give up when it looked dodgy on camera?


No - Daybreak used a smart glass system that actually dimmed the windows.

This Morning used Rosco's polarising system (or a similar system) for the last few years they were on the South Bank and it worked pretty well. The BBC also used it for the BBC Persian studio and the Beijing Olympic studio (and ISTR that Pebble Mill used a similar technique in their foyer studio)
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BBC Breakfast - 2018 Refresh

amosc100 posted:
Most are talking about using the space that BBC Sport uses at Salford.

But why not use the space that Watchdog uses. Far bigger than current studio, still have view of the Quays without it being ground level, and it is light and airey (even more so when Watchdog is shown in Autumn/Winter slots at a Wednesday evening)


Watchdog isn't broadcast from a BBC building in Salford, it comes from the Mezzanine area of Dock 10's 'The Studios' reception area, and currently uses a Dock 10 control room.
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Split Personality

Steve in Pudsey posted:
Markymark posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Although by train fairly comparable


Do/did TV News crews travel by train ?

The audience do. Most regions have crews based at outposts like radio stations, surely there would have been an edit facility or ENG inject at Radio Medway/Kent back in the day?


I think there was a circuit from (and a remote control DTL studio in) Chatham in the Elstree days, not sure if it went back as far as London Plus, and no idea if there was an edit there. (Wouldn't surprise me to find there was a 2mc Beta SP facility there back in the day)

ISTR that Robin Gibson was largely the main (only?) Newsroom South East reporter based in/reporting on Kent back in those days?
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