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The Sport Thread

UKnews posted:
harshy posted:
You mean the HDR given to Italians is fake?

Some of it, like F1, is 'upmapped' (thanks Blake Connolly), it's not being filmed in HDR. Some of it will be produced in HDR (mostly films I'd suspect). Hopefully Sky UK will take a different approach.


That sounds like a great way to get 'HDR' a bad reputation very quickly...
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The Sport Thread

Blake Connolly posted:
UKnews posted:
Orry Verducci posted:
It's standard 1080i HD, but encoded at high bitrates (apparently) and with some filtering and colour correction, mostly saturation enhancement, at the point of distribution.


It's mostly a marketing gimmick, and one I'm glad Sky UK haven't adopted.

And their HDR offers some content where the HDR has been 'faked' (upscaled, simulated, whatever you want to call it) - such as F1, where the host broadcast isn't in HDR. I'm glad Sky UK haven't gone down this route either.


'Upmapped' is the term being used for SDR content being converted for HDR TX (with 'downmapped' the reverse). But yes, same with upscaling SD to HD or HD to 4K, it's not the real deal.


Yes - Tonemapping is also used to describe HDR->SDR downconversions.
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The Sport Thread

TIGHazard posted:
harshy posted:
You mean the HDR given to Italians is fake?


It can be both real and fake.

It'd be like if when the BBC changed to widescreen in 1998, all the shows that stayed produced in 4:3 such as Eastenders, Top of the Pops and Parkinson were ARC'd to 16:9 on transmission.

So some shows would be true widescreen, and others would be faked.


*** EDIT - I misread TIGHazard's original post - but am leaving this here so other future posts make sense ***

I fully accept that TIGHazard wasn't saying that 4:3 stuff was ARCed to full 16:9 - as I thought he had!

Except that's not what happened.

The only channel that routinely ARCed 12F12 content to 14P16 was the CBBC channel.

The main BBC One/Two shows that were shot 12F12 (i.e. 4:3) were broadcast flagged as 4:3 (on DVB-T they were broadcast as 12P16 with an AFD in a permanent 16:9 MPEG2 stream whereas on DVB-S they were broadcast in 12F12 with an MPEG2 aspect header switch.)

The BBC did NOT routinely ARC 4:3 originated programmes to 16:9 by cropping and zooming...

Short 12F12 archive clips, and 12F12 news content, within 16:9 shows was converted to 14P16 - but not whole shows on BBC One or BBC Two.

The nearest compromise that we had was 16:9 material being passed through PAL composite gear - rather than remaining component. (This happened on Blue Peter in the early days ISTR)
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The Sport Thread

Orry Verducci posted:
noggin posted:
harshy posted:
Not really but Sky are behind other providers especially Sky Italia who have HDR and Super HD.


What's 'Super HD'?

It's standard 1080i HD, but encoded at high bitrates (apparently) and with some filtering and colour correction, mostly saturation enhancement, at the point of distribution.


It's mostly a marketing gimmick, and one I'm glad Sky UK haven't adopted.


Yep - that sounds like an excuse to run regular HD services at lower bitrates...
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The Sport Thread

harshy posted:
Jon posted:
It sounds like you’ve caught DVD fever, Harshy. Having said that if he had his way TV would probably still be in black and white!

Not really but Sky are behind other providers especially Sky Italia who have HDR and Super HD.


What's 'Super HD'?
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NOW TV

Fingers crossed for 1080p50.
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The Sport Thread

Mort posted:
harshy posted:
Does anyone know what the new bbc sport football set looks like?


(except for presenters!) It's all virtual, a set based in a virtual stadium. Multicam setup. Quite spacious, and clever because it gives loads of possibilities to do moves that reveal computer-generated stats or graphics, video walls and so on. A spiritual successor to the Russian world cup pres.

The new season's almost here...


It's in the Blue Peter studio isn't it? A significant cost saving for the BBC as they have this, smaller, studio bought-out, and will no longer have to hire a general purpose studio from Dock 10 as they previously did for Final Score/Score Interactive/MOTD at weekends ?
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Sony's Shenanigans

JAS84 posted:
TellyTime posted:
plymouthbloke1974 posted:
Wasn’t there a Sony Channel before?


Yes, it closed last year.

It had some good first-run comedies like Community and Younger.

It also had repeats of classic British TV shows like Spooks, Hustle, Life on Mars, Ashes to Ashes and Hotel Babylon.

Mars and Ashes have both shown up on Drama. Maybe the BBC yanked the content to give to UKTV, and that left Sony Channel short of programming?


Those shows are all Indie productions and are outside the standard BBC licensing period - so the indie can sell them to whichever channel they like.

If a show is commissioned by the BBC from an indie (*), under the standard BBC/PACT contracts, the BBC only have rights to show that show for a limited, licensed, period - and don't have rights to sell it on to other broadcasters, or to show it on non-PSB outlets. The indie can decide to market the show via BBC Studios (formerly BBC Worldwide) - but the BBC doesn't 'own' the show.

Rights to programmes made by BBC Productions, or produced more recently by BBC Studios (which is the commercial, programme-making subsidiary of the BBC - making non-News, non-Sport, non-Kids shows) remain with the BBC and the BBC then sells them on.

(*) There are some former BBC-produced shows (Songs of Praise, The Proms. soon Mastermind) where the BBC has tendered the production of the shows BUT not the long term rights. The rights to these shows remain with the BBC (the Proms is a more complex rights case of course).
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Sky News | General Discussion

Rkolsen posted:
So on the Xfinity X1 System (Comcast’s STB) if you say Sky News into the voice remote it takes you to a hidden page with a description of Sky and link to what’s currently playing. It’s not a traditional cable channel but it connects to the internet. This version appears to be a better quality version of the YouTube/Apple TV app/ Sky News app feed. There’s no jitter or issues with the ticker that are displayed on the other online versions. If I had to guess it’s them taking the direct International Feed output and encoding it on their end.

It’s also appeared as a channel on their Xfinity Stream app among the other news channels:

*

The TVGo bug means you can view the channel out of home. With the stream app you can view all your channels in house.


If there is no jitter on the ticker then either the X1 and your TV are switching to 50Hz and thus Sky News is being displayed at 50Hz (which would be unusual for a North American product), or there is a decent frame rate conversion going on prior to the encoding of the web stream to create a decent quality 59.94Hz version.

It's not possible to display a native 50Hz stream at 59.94/60Hz without introducing 9.94/10Hz motion judder without a decent quality frame rate conversion (which isn't something that can be achieved at a consumer price point in any quality). This judder can be masked though, if your TV has MotionFlow, Natural Motion etc. enabled (it's always disabled on my TVs as it introduces so many motion artefacts as to be a joke)

My guess is that Comcast now have a decent quality Alchemist or For.A FRC converted version of Sky News kicking around? (I'd hope they aren't using Teranex...)
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BBC Breakfast - 16th July onwards

WW Update posted:
Hatton Cross posted:
Mentioning no names - Nihal on Five Live - when you go to the bottom of the hour news headlines late again.
The time is not 33 minutes past 3 as you keep refering to it on air.
It's 27 minutes to 4.


Maybe this is a British thing, but if you stopped a stranger on the street and asked her for the time, would she really say "It's 27 minutes to 4"?


It's certainly usual to express times after 'xx:30' as 'to' the next hour, rather than 'past' the previous hour, but you'd usually round to the nearest five minutes and use 'nearly/almost/coming up to' or 'just gone'

If it was 1533 then most Brits would say "It's just gone half-three" or "It's coming up to 25 to 4"
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BBC World News: Reith look onwards

harshy posted:
It’s still branded Bbc world news etc overnights the lower thirds are generated by their respective galleries.


One gallery - two outputs, via two different Viz engines, driven by the same dynamic data, but with different templates (and potentially flipper sources)
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ITV Programming Thread

Capybara posted:
Ash101 posted:


It’s for a new ITV2 show called “Single Town”.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0UA40upRTw


Who got this commissioned? The aim of a dating show is to bring people together, not break them up.


That's a little naïve... Commercial TV shows exist to get the right audience eyeballs to see the right commercials - and to do that they need to attract the right audience, and entertain them enough to keep watching. There isn't really any other significant motive in commercial TV (unless a regulatory commitment requires there to be)...
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