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Government to suspend Parliament

Neil Jones posted:

I was going to say it seems to take 15 seconds for the pan to get into position but IIRC when they did that vote that required suspension it was called and the gap between the Speaker and the clock appearing wasn't anywhere near 15 seconds. But of course the camera probably can move faster than the show-for-effect we see at the end of a session.


Most camera remote systems will re-position differently based on whether they are on-air or off-air (with tally/red light interlock), and/or when manually configured.

When in off-air mode (or CUT mode I think it was called on Radamec - now Shotoku) - the camera will reposition as quickly as possible to the shot being recalled with no consideration for the aesthetics of the move. When in on-air mode (or FADE on some systems even when being operated without red light/tally interlock) the camera will do a nice smooth re-frame over a longer period (which can also be user modified) suitable for being seen on-air.
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The Andrew Neil Show

JF World News posted:
It should be 8PM as 7PM clashes with Beyond 100 Days the main evening political programme


Eh? Beyond 100 Days is on the BBC News Channel - not a mainstream channel like BBC Two. The UK audiences for Beyond 100 Days are likely to be tiny (and it skews US-wards), and I don't think BBC Two's schedulers will be paying much attention to the News Channel schedule? (I doubt BBC News will to be honest)
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Government to suspend Parliament

DVB Cornwall posted:
October 14th is a MONDAY. It won't be on that date. 10th or 17th maybe.


I think the issue with the 17th is that is the day that the UK has agreed to meet the European Council to finalise a deal (or not)... The EU may be persuaded to re-schedule, but I think the 14th is an attempt to avoid that.

It's a convention that we hold Elections on Thursdays, but nothing more than a convention. Legally I believe they can be held on any day.
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Government to suspend Parliament

Markymark posted:
thegeek posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:
October 14th is a MONDAY. It won't be on that date. 10th or 17th maybe.

Elections are only on Thursdays by custom, not by law. If someone really wants to call one for a day that isn't a Thursday, then nothing's stopping them.


I can't imagine many will stay up on a Monday night to watch the coverage?

I'd imagine that this election could well get pretty high ratings - as it would be taking place in such unusual circumstances. Not sure why a Thursday night or a Monday night make a huge different? Both are 'school nights'?

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What audience figures have recent Thursday elections had?


BBC One got 4.4m/39% between 2200 and 0200 for the 2017 Election. ITV got 1.1m/9%, C4 582k/5% in the same time slot.

So around 6m in total watched election coverage between 2200 and 0200

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/itv-and-osborne-praised-for-election-night-coverage-but-bbc-wins-the-ratings-battle/
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GMTV and the Daybreak debacle, 9 years on.

EenNederlander posted:
Personally, not being a brit and I haven't seen much of Daybreak with Adrian and Christine, from all that I've seen, I like them. Although I'm not sure Adrian Chiles would want to host GMB if ITV called him up since a lot of viewers complained about him being 'too grumpy'


Given the way ITV treated Adrian over his football presenting duties I can't see him wanting to return any time soon.
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GMTV and the Daybreak debacle, 9 years on.

all new Phil posted:
I reckon if Daybreak had never happened, and Piers and Susanna left GMB, Christine and Adrian would probably be a decent replacement. Given all the bad press, I’m pretty sure they still had some of the highest ratings for ITV Breakfast post-GMTV didn’t they?


Adrian and Christine did work together well and had high-ish ratings for their early DayBreak programmes (through Breakfast was always higher rated).

However Adrian and Christine were surfing the wave of their popularity from 'The One Show' - which was rating in the 4-5m range (ratings peaked at around 7m for one programme in their era) plus the press around them leaving the BBC, a previous minor 'are they or aren't they?' tabloid obsession etc. meant there was a 'buzz' about them. Good presenters as they are, I'm not sure pairing them again would create the same dynamic.
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Rugby World Cup 2019

harshy posted:
8k feed? what is the satellite tuning parameters?


Kingofsat reports it stopped around 28th August.

It was on 11973V 31MS/s 8PSK 9/10 FEC
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Beeb - A New BBC Voice Assistant

lobster posted:
noggin posted:
lobster posted:
I really wish the BBC would stick to what it's good at rather than chucking money these kinds of projects.


That's what people said when the BBC decided to invest in TV services when they were only doing radio.

In the all-IP future, customisation is king. Controlling that is key. The BBC would be crazy to NOT be getting involved in machine learning and customisation.


then they'd be better off chucking their resources into developing open standards so in the all IP future instead of their content being sold through google or apple or some other market place layer they have no control over there is an open regulated platform for content distribution, available on all smart devices, world-wide. that makes more sense to me than what they are doing now which is a big leap from just machine learning and customisation.


The BBC is a major player in the ITU, the EBU and SMPTE and works on open standards within those organisations. It's doing just what you suggest with respect to IP production standards, and IP broadcast. Where it is more difficult is third party, proprietary syndication platforms - owned by Apple, Amazon and Google. It's near-impossible to force them to use a global standard, and regulate that. Not sure how you propose that would work?
bilky asko and UKnews gave kudos
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Newsround 2019 Rebrand

Many companies will allow you to additionally buy additional annual leave, or sell back annual leave, adjusting your annual salary to reflect this.

Plus at the BBC you get 2.5 days additional long-service leave once you go past 10 years service, which unlike annual leave doesn't have to be used in the year it is 'earned'. In fact it's designed to be accrued across multiple years to allow for a longer break. Many people will bank 5 or more weeks of long service leave (10 years worth) and take that in a lump with their annual leave.

In your 25th year you get an additional 5 or 6 weeks as a lump (or the equivalent in salary - which will obviously be taxed) as an additional Long Service reward.

If you've taken no long service leave until this point you can be left with the option of taking 3 months plus off. This is partially what the system is designed to encourage, it allows people to take a paid career break, have a 'once-in-a-lifetime' holiday, undertake a building project on their home etc.

This is assuming you are staff of course.

If you are freelance you can chose to work as much, or as little, as you want - though your regular clients may take a dim view of this if you are suddenly unavailable.
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40th anniversary of the ITV strike

Ben Shatliff posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I think the regional continuity was phased out at different times in different regions, Midlands binned it during 79, North West in 80.


How do you mean binned unless I am mid reading this or missing the point; there was regional continuity until 1999?


Eh? In 1999 all the continuity between networked shows in England was from London, only regional opt-out shows in England had regional continuity announcements.

What is being discussed here is the era when English regional centres provided the continuity announcements between each networked show - an era many here may well be unaware of. That style of self-op working informed the design of many regional presentation galleries, long after it ceased to be a major requirement.
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Power outage at BBC Wales

Markymark posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I think last time this clip came up it was suggested that this was somebody from the radio newsroom at BH in the contribution studio there rather than the TV news operation at TV Centre.

Thinking about it, it was always the remote source that synced with pres (the opposite of ITV). It may be that the studio had most recently worked into a region/nation.


Even if it hadn't, if it wasn't locked to the same reference source as NC1 it would have probably drifted significantly out of out of sync over the course of an hour.
Dunno whether the SPG at BH back then was ref'd to any atomic standard, (TVC's was)


Though the BBC had Natlock that used phone circuits to keep SPGs locked to each other didn't they (which is how they handled syncing OBs into Pres before synchronisers were in widespread use and/or deemed acceptable quality)

ISTR that Nationwide in the English regions often required quick changes from Natlock (where you were synchronous into Lime Grove to be a contribution source that arrived 'in sync') to Genlock (where you were synchronous with incoming network for your opt)
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Power outage at BBC Wales

Steve in Pudsey posted:
Breakfast Time was originally at Lime Grove, although the news bulletins were from TV Centre iirc (before News merged with Current Affairs), so it's likely there was a small presence overnight.


ISTR that the newsreaders (Debbie Rix, Caroline Righton etc.) were in Lime Grove (i.e. were in the same studio) but the bulletins were produced by TV Centre news teams? I'm sure I remember the newsreader sitting at a Breakfast branded desk and there being a wide shot for the hands to and from?

There was an odd situation where the 0900 bulletin came from TV Centre in one era ISTR.