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BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

AlexS posted:
Presumably the end of hour weather will be a lengthy out of studio affair in order to give London time to prepare for and rehearse their opt in the six headlines.


Or they do it from a chroma-key studio?
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CBBC Channel

We seem to have black bars on widescreen HD programmes for some reason, including Demon Headmaster:
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I know the Butterfly drama from a few months ago was similar but IIRC those were thinner than these.
Is this the start of a relentless march towards 2.35:1?


It's 2:1: the same as Doctor Who, and the aspect ratio that Netflix and Amazon require their commissions to be in.


So I presume 2:1 is wider than 16:9?


Yes - 16:9 = 1.77:1
2:1 = 16:8 (so vertically you have a "0.5" bar top and bottom when you show 2:1=16:8 in a 16:9 frame)

2:1 is increasingly the standard aspect ratio for high-end drama, and many Netflix and Amazon original commissions are 2:1.
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BBC One English Regions opt outs

I know in the Grandstand days, the nations often opted out, and showed their own versions, such as during the five nations, when both games each weekend were played almost simultaneously. So, while England v Wales was networked, us in Scotland got Scotland v France, and then highlights afterwards, with our own pres. Did the English regions ever opt out on Grandstand, if there was a major sporting event in their region that they wished to cover?


That continued well into the 00s, as I remember the London newsroom making separate, bespoke, teatime national news bulletins for Scotland, when their schedules didn't accommodate the main teatime news.
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AppleTV 4K and Apple Video Services.

rdd posted:
Apple have done a deal with Roku. The Apple TV App and Apple TV+ will launch (at least in the US) on Roku devices from November 2019.


Given how much cheaper Roku’s devices are than Apple TV, are they effectively making their own box obsolete by doing this? I know there’ll always be people who buy Apple - and I prefer iOS to Android in most respects myself, but always was annoyed how Android users could mirror their phone to just about any decent smart TV or a €40 Chromecast while iOS users were expected to shell out €160 for the Apple TV box just to do the same thing.


I think the ATV 4 and ATV 4K still haev the edge in gaming and Apple Arcade (as they have probably the most powerful ARM SoCs of any TV box - ahead of the Tegra X1 in the nVidia Shield TV I believe...) For basic video and audio streaming - then a Roku makes a lot of sense, though Apple do nice things on Apple TV like aggregation and search across multiple providers.
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AppleTV 4K and Apple Video Services.

With the latest tvOS release there seems to be on some content a frame identifier, which could lead to micro control in due course. Invoking it is touch and go and is linked to scrubbing content. When I’ve sussed it I’ll report back.


I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say? By frame identifier - do you mean a timecode type stream?
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ITV abandons the South Bank

I’m quite puzzled why some here continue to be annoyed that TV Centre has 2 studios fully booked, rather than them being mostly empty with just an odd show being made every now and then.


It's more a case of being saddened that TC3 - one of the most flexible and versatile studios in the UK, which was designed for daily 'set/strike' production with shows going in and out and being lit overnight, is instead being used as a four waller with a standing set and no major use of its flexibility.

Irrespective of any views of the quality of the shows made in the studio, the 'waste' of one of the very few fully flexible studios in the UK is the cause of sadness to many. (Particularly LDs, Gaffers and Sparks who have to light set/strike shows in far less efficient ways than they would have if TC3 were available)

At the moment - TC3 is the only 'full flexible' medium-sized studio (i.e. perfect for panel shows, quiz shows, sit coms etc.) in London, and it's not available for use.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

I’m pretty sure the BBC didn’t think that TC2 and 3 would be block booked for ITV with standing sets for more than a couple of years. I think i read that TC2 wasn’t initially kitted out with its own gallery and that it was to be used (at first at least) as a glorified scene dock. The plan was that the refurbished TC1 and 3 would be available for hire on fast turnaround shows. It made sense for Studioworks to take Itv’s block booking for the short term, but had they known it might be for a mid to long term standing set booking I think they may well have suggested elsewhere.


Yes - the initial TC1-3 plans were really based on the requirements of studio shows made by BBC Productions (most of which is now BBC Studios) - and effectively ignored the large number of Indies who made studio studios for the BBC (and ITV/C4/C5/Sky shows that also used the studios as they were marketed commercially) They retained the studios that they knew 'in house' productions could use effectively, but it felt like they ignored other requirements.

TC1 for the big entertainment shows (Strictly etc.), TC2 for Strictly It Takes Two, Watchdog, Crimewatch etc., TC3 for music and entertainment shows, panel shows, sit com etc.

ITV Daytime moving into TC2 and TC3 has made very sound commercial sense, but it has blown the original justification for keeping just 3 studios slightly out of the water...

And as for the most live output from TV Centre being in this era? I think when BBC World and BBC News 24 were both running continuously from TV Centre, along with Breakfast, Sport from TC5 etc. they were making more live TV on the site.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

The only people who keep sounding off that there is a lack of studio space in London are members on here - until channels / production houses / producers say the same then there is no issue?


You are joking? Pretty much every Production Manager / Unit Manager / Production Exec scheduling studio shows shot in London will tell you what a pain it is.

Converted film studios, theatres, rehearsal spaces? They aren't TV studios...


Do you have the list of productions that have not gone ahead because of a lack of studio space?


Since the change of production space in London shows are being shot in longer blocks to reduce the number of turnarounds, and more shows are being shot in less-than-ideal locations that would never have been used were 'real' studios still available.

Shows are often now re-scheduled on multiple occasions due to lack of studio availability. So in the short-term - many shows have not gone ahead, as planned originally, because of a lack of studio space.
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The Sport Thread

If they were 'off tubing' in the UK, one guesses it was at FOM TV HQ at Biggin Hill.

Why wouldn't they be at Whisper's resources partner - Timeline? (That's where they make the C4 highlights shows)
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ITV abandons the South Bank

The only people who keep sounding off that there is a lack of studio space in London are members on here - until channels / production houses / producers say the same then there is no issue?


You are joking? Pretty much every Production Manager / Unit Manager / Production Exec scheduling studio shows shot in London will tell you what a pain it is.

Converted film studios, theatres, rehearsal spaces? They aren't TV studios...
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BBC News | NBH Protests

And isn't the plaza, and walk through from Portland Place, under the 'arch' to the right of The One Show Studio, and entrance to the Peel Wing, and out over towards Wogan House, a public right of way?

Hence, unless the BBC got an emergency court order from Westminster Magistrates Court to ban public access (and therefore throttle the protesters) there was nothing the BBC, and the third party security staff could do.

I was down there last Saturday afternoon, and there was a protest of some sort facing BH from the steps of All Saints Church - if a boombox playing Arabic music, a large flag and a couple of banners, counts as a demonstration protest - and apart from the occasional glance by a BBC security man, all seemed happy with the protest.


My understanding is that whilst it is a public right of way, it is BBC property, and the BBC are able to close the piazza if they believe there is a safety issue. I suspect they have an agreement in place with Westminster council to do this. It's not unusual for the piazza to be closed and restricted to BBC staff and invited guests.
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BBC One English Regions opt outs

WMD posted:
The vast majority of the regions opting out are doing so for repeated content, so you could ask the same question of those. Staffing costs are likely to be negligible given the proximity to the 2225 bulletin.

So are all English regions played out from the individual regions rather than from a couple of hubs like ITV? You'd think nowadays opt outs could be done remotely.


In general - yes. (Caveats apply to Cambridge, Hull, Oxford and Jersey). The opt-switches are still sited at each regional centre, so re-engineering that to allow for alternate-site opting is non-trivial. ITV have a major reason for centralised playout that the BBC don't. Advert breaks...