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BBC Sounds

Charlie Wells posted:
It looks like the individual radio station sites (e.g. www.bbc.co.uk/radio2) are set to merge into BBC Sounds website (e.g. www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_two). Probably explains why the radio station pages have never had a 'BBC Sounds' header navigation added when the old Radio one was removed.


I guess they will keep the base URLs - as the BBC still has (I believe) a policy of only ever using one level of URL address after the bbc.co.uk

As an example : bbc.co.uk/radio2 would be OK, but bbc.co.uk/sounds/radio2 would not.

Increasingly using URLs on-air is seen as a bit out of date, given so few people type URLs into their browser bars and instead type them into Google search - so a more generic 'Search for BBC Radio 2 on your favoured (*) platform' may be more likely, though at the moment 'Listen to Radio 2 on BBC Sounds' is more likely.

(*) As long as your favoured platform is, itself, favoured by the BBC because it provides listener metadata / metrics.
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Bake Off

DVB Cornwall posted:
It has to be a weekend so that the contestants can get on with their normal career paths. albeit with some travelling on a Friday too.


It also allows them to prepare for the rounds of the show that will benefit from practice bakes.

In an interview with last year's winner, David Atherton, he mentioned that in the later stages he'd been so busy with his job that Henry Bird (who had been eliminated by that stage) helped him out by doing some test bakes during the week, giving him feedback to allow him to fine-tune.
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Freeview Play coming to Android TV

TheMike posted:

I wonder if Sony will as a result switch from Android TV + YouView to Android TV + Freeview Play?


If they do - we can only hope the implementation is a lot faster. I've had two Sony Android TV sets, and disabled YouView on both of them, and instead use the regular Sony DVB front-end UI instead, which is massively more responsive.
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A question regarding breakdowns

Steve in Pudsey posted:
So if either of the main suites went down and they needed to decamp to the spare would they have had to cancel the SE opt?


Only if the London and SE opt was a unilateral one (i.e. only the London and SE region was opting out) and the other regions were staying with network.

For day-to-day regional opts Elstree was the sustaining feed and NC1/NC2 (or the news studio in the case of integrated headlines) cut to Elstree after they had opted the regions away, and cut away from Elstree just before they opted the regions back.

The 'spare Pres suite' requirement was only for when Elstree were the only region opting out for a local special. (Which was unusual - but not impossible)
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TV Breakdown Appreciation Thread

Neil Jones posted:
noggin posted:
Johnr posted:
I noticed when it came back on Nicky was just in the middle of carrying on as usual as if nothing had happened, as if he wasn’t aware they had been broadcasting to nobody for the previous 10 minutes!


Yes - you usually carry on as normal for many reasons. These include not knowing whether you are off-air everywhere, not knowing when you will be cut back to, ensuring you have a recording to go up on iPlayer after transmission etc.


Point of order:
If a live programme falls off the air and the iPlayer copy is an off-air "recording", should it be on there as transmitted, fault and all, or does the system have access to a direct copy including the part of the programme that didn't go out?

Initially the show on iPlayer will be recorded from the channel feed (in fact I think it uses the iPlayer live channel encoding, just using the chunks that were created for that show, which is why the in- and the out- are sometimes a bit ragged) - so will include the breakdown caption etc. However the iPlayer system allows for replacement of these recordings with a new copy of the show (whether this is for compliance reasons or for rights reasons) so it's entirely possible to do that.

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Of course I suppose it depends on where in the chain the fault occurred. If it fell over between source and broadcasting, that's different to if it fell over before it left the source in the first place, or if the breakdown occurred because the power went out at the source, you can't record what you don't receive!


All live BBC shows are expected to make their archive recordings of shows upstream of any final compressed link to BBC One/Two/Four (i.e. OB-based shows record their archive copies on-site not downstream of their link) to avoid the archive copy having compression artefacts. As a result any link failure on a final backhaul contribution circuit shouldn't affect the local recording. There are exceptions to this rule (if you use an uncompressed fibre circuit for instance) - but not many.
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TV Breakdown Appreciation Thread

Johnr posted:
I noticed when it came back on Nicky was just in the middle of carrying on as usual as if nothing had happened, as if he wasn’t aware they had been broadcasting to nobody for the previous 10 minutes!


Yes - you usually carry on as normal for many reasons. These include not knowing whether you are off-air everywhere, not knowing when you will be cut back to, ensuring you have a recording to go up on iPlayer after transmission etc.
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TV Breakdown Appreciation Thread

Ne1L C posted:
I remember some Look North bulletins were reply by (I think) Newsroom SE due to a cock up or two.


Elstree (i.e. Newsroom South East) was on the network sustaining feed (for most of the time they were based at Elstree, NSE didn't opt-out and instead were cut up by BBC One/Two or the Breakfast gallery), so would have gone out in any region that failed to opt-out. They only really started opting out when DTT/DSat arrived, or soon after.
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BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:
I don’t think if Katty was trouble off screen she would be booked so frequently and reliably for almost two years as guest contributors and later contributor roles on NBC properties.



I don't think there's too much correlation between someone's personality and off screen behaviour, and their 'bookability' as a guest or contributor


If a contributor hard work, or difficult, to produce, they won't be a regular booking.
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TV Breakdown Appreciation Thread

Inspector Sands posted:

The convention I remember being used is that the tape is stood up 2 minutes before TX, they're set to stand back down again after x number of minutes of inactivity so the heads aren't constantly moving against the tape.


That was the default set-up on most VTRs - but ISTR that it was a menu option, and you could configure some VTRs to not drop out when "on cue" to avoid that happening. (Ditto inhibiting the Jog/Shuttle wheel working when in play, unless you hit the Jog/Shuttle button first to enable it - by default it was 'live')
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Nightshift

Mouseboy33 posted:
Thats a interesting question. Curious as well, if there is at least minimal staff overights especially in the very large cities like Manchester/Birmingham/Glasgow etc. I wouldnt think they necessarily have presenters or reporters on staff in the regions. But i would imagine at least a couple of producers to monitor things over night. But maybe some knows for sure.


Salford (aka Manchester) would be an exception to other English regions in BBC terms as it is the home of Breakfast 7-days a week - so has an overnight operation permanently I'd expect.

I wouldn't expect the run-of-the-mill English regional newsrooms to be staffed overnight once local radio is taking 5Live, though production journalists will be in before the first morning bulletin I'd expect.
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Svalbard - Minute by minute

London Lite posted:
Neil Jones posted:
There's a format we don't see in the UK, "slow TV". Although daytime TV, Big Brother and most of Channel 5 is close but no real comparison.


BBC Four have commissioned slow tv formats.


Yes - but they aren't NRK-style Slow TV - where the show takes over NRK2 for days and days - like it did with the Hurtigruten ferry going from Bergen to Kirkenes during the midnight sun season over the summer a few years ago.

BBC Four show an hour or so of slow TV following a much shorter journey rather than continuous shows for days on-end. The BBC Four stuff is quite a lot more 'ambient music and chill', whereas the NRK stuff often includes quite a lot of chat.
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Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

Brekkie posted:
Familiar how?


Cando posted:
Absolutely Everybody knows her!


(Reader, she had a No. 7 hit in the UK in 2000 with 'Absolutely Everybody'.)