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Educational Broadcasting 2020

JAS84 posted:
Riaz posted:
Neil Jones posted:
What point are you trying to make specifically?


A few years ago I was involved in a debate about whether the internet is a luxury that people on benefits shouldn't have. Most people said yes, and that if people on benefits have the internet at home then the benefits are too generous. I wasn't quite so convinced and argued that the internet is more of a commodity like electricity than a luxury. I also raised the question whether a TV at home is also a luxury that people on benefits shouldn't have, as officially you need a TV licence to watch it.
It's definitely not a luxury nowadays. If you're unemployed, they expect you to use the Internet to look for work and to record your jobsearch.


Isn't that the argument for free internet access in public libraries, plus job searches etc. are low bandwidth activities so can be carried out on a low-cost, low-data tariff on a basic phone?
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Educational Broadcasting 2020

Neil Jones posted:

Of course these days its probably easier to find out what's being watched, how they're watching it and when they're watching it, but in the days of analogue TV, no real way to know for sure. Signal goes out, TV picks it up, no feedback possible.


Yes - but a lot of this data doesn't tell you the most useful bit of information - who is watching. (Particularly on set-top boxes and Smart TVs)
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Educational Broadcasting 2020

Riaz posted:
Si-Co posted:
As a matter of interest, how did schools programmes back in the day fare in terms of ratings? For much/most of their run there was nothing on the other channels. I assume that the BBC and ITV knew how many housewives/unemployed etc were tuning in to How We Used to Live and Zig Zag?


Interesting question. Were ratings given to most weekday daytime programmes?

I have wondered if many people with unconventional work hours or those with interests in niche programmes or programmes broadcast in less popular timeslots are ever deployed to obtain ratings of TV programmes.


All shows broadcast on the mainstream channels are rated by BARB, and I believe they have been for decades.

You don't just get a Top 10 or similar - you get the overnight ratings for every show broadcast on the channels BARB monitor (as well as a rating for ever 15 minute slot on every channel)
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International News Presentation: Past and Present

Might be of interest to some, but ORF have an entire Covid-19-free team of people permanently living and working in their HQ. They are sleeping in make-shift rooms in their HQ and are not going home or mixing with anyone from the outside world. That way they can continue, on-screen, as normal. They have a separate 'outside' team reporting from location.
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Loose Women | 21 Years Old - Sept 2020

DavidWhitfield posted:
But it's a choice between (a) airing it with the competition intact and knowing this means that someone has to make sure a 'don't enter this' graphic is shown alongside it or (b) cutting the offending chunk out and not needing the extra graphic. It's more work than just slapping the episode up and leaving it to play either way so I would consider it logical to just cut that little segment out.


It's not though. If you edit out the competitions you change the length of the show and have to do a lot more 'behind the scenes stuff' - like editing the subtitles to match etc. You may then also have to check you aren't breaking a 'break restriction' by making the parts too short, or the show too short etc.
bilky asko and buster gave kudos
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BBC News nostalgia, including BBC World

itsrobert posted:
Wasn't it effectively two different channels at that point? I'm sure I've read somewhere that there was a European version which was essentially content from BBC1 and BBC2, with the occasional WSTV News bulletin thrown in? And I think that was preceded by something called BBC TV Europe. And then there was a separate WSTV channel in Asia. Then in 1995 BBC World became one channel, with BBC Prime showing the entertainment content that had previously been shown on WSTV.


There was a channel called BBC Europe (and before that it was informally known as 'BBC 1/2 Mix') which was encrypted and carried BBC One shows mainly, but when BBC One carried movies or US shows that the BBC didn't have rights for, it showed BBC Two content instead. It was encrypted on analogue satellite and quietly (well it seemed quietly) marketed to European viewers.

ISTR that BBC World Service Television Asia was carried on the same frequencies overnight after BBC One had closed down to carry a basic news service.

This was long before BBC World and BBC Prime launched.
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Granada Reports

Capybara posted:
I believe it is stretched so that it looks normal using the regular style, where the presenter stands next to the screen on an angle.


Or they have got the plasma in the wrong screen mode - which is a common issue with consumer plasmas used in TV studios.
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New Sky channels: Crime, Comedy, Documentaries, Nature

kernow posted:
TurboLazer posted:
Why is the Sky History rebrand getting delayed as well? I get the new channels but a rebrand doesn't really make sense


Maybe they don't have the resources at the moment (i.e. sufficient staffing levels) to enable an effective and full rebrand to take place.

It's not just a rebrand of a channel. It's everything that goes with it as well, e.g. advertising, websites, social media, etc.


Yes - most broadcasters are working on their bare minimum staffing - and are one step away from Christmas 'change freeze' type stuff where you change nothing unless it's absolutely essential.

Even if people can work from home - co-ordinating a rebrand at this time is definitely non-essential.
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New Meridian, BBC South & South East Thread

Markymark posted:
noggin posted:
HarryB posted:
Henley which is just north of Reading, as well as the rest of Berkshire, where I live, we receive the west edition of Meridian, (before Thames Valley)


I wouldn't say the 'rest of Berkshire' as a sweeping statement.

You can receive both CP and Hannington in quite a lot of bits of East Berkshire - but the Crystal Palace signals are usually stronger and easier to receive in places like Maidenhead, so most rooftop aerials are pointed at CP.


BBC South did a story about Wexham Park Hospital (Slough) a couple of weeks ago, which was stretching things rather. Never seen them mention Slough before, though the original Meridian Thames Valley programme made a regular habit of that.


That hospital has a reasonably large catchment area in East Berkshire, so I guess the justification was that people watching Hannington may go to Slough for treatment?

Slough, Maidenhead, Windsor etc. usually fall between two stools in TV terms unless there's a massive story there - too far out of London for BBC London, too far away from Southampton for BBC South...
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New Meridian, BBC South & South East Thread

HarryB posted:
Markymark posted:
What's always amused me is Henley itself is in the London TV region, but hey!

Henley which is just north of Reading, as well as the rest of Berkshire, where I live, we receive the west edition of Meridian, (before Thames Valley)


I wouldn't say the 'rest of Berkshire' as a sweeping statement.

You can receive both CP and Hannington in quite a lot of bits of East Berkshire - but the Crystal Palace signals are usually stronger and easier to receive in places like Maidenhead, so most rooftop aerials are pointed at CP.
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Educational Broadcasting 2020

Riaz posted:

noggin posted:
AIUI a significant number - particularly those in vulnerable situations (bed and breakfast accommodation, temporary housing, sofa surfing etc.). There are 'hidden homeless' kids.


Astute observation. However, many B&Bs nowadays offer Wi-Fi and some residents have smartphones tablets etc.

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Plus those on very low incomes may not have the income to pay for broadband - either fixed or mobile, or data for their kids phones.


They also might not have the income to pay for a TV licence...

noggin posted:
The BBC is covering everyone it can reasonably cover by making the content available both online and via broadcast outlets. Don't see the issue. Better than doing it on just one or the other - it's doing it on both.


According to previous discussions, interest in educational programmes for children on TV Forum appears to be tepid.


I don't get your point - the BBC is providing the content on both IP-based and DVB-based solutions - so the maximum number of people can watch. If they just provided it via broadband then those who don't have broadband (either for financial or practical reasons) would be excluded. If they just provided it via DVB, then those with just broadband would be excluded.

(Technically they'll need a TV Licence either way however they watch (the iPlayer not-live loophole went with the current charter) so it's cheaper to watch without broadband than with.)
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The BBC World News Thread

KT4YU posted:
NO WAY - The breakfiller gallery?? Where was that? I always thought that was played out far far away in what was BBC Broadcast/Red Bee Media/Whatever else it was called... amazing!! Thanks for the photos!


There wasn't a separate gallery for the break filler AFAIK - that picture is of the main BBC Presentation/Broadcast playout area for BBC World, that just so happened to include the breakfiller stuff. It was at BBC TV Centre before the whole presentation playout operation moved to the BBC Broadcast Centre.