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Educational Broadcasting 2020

bilky asko posted:
Brekkie posted:
Josh posted:
It's the chroma key studio used for BBC Sport.

Insert "Breakfast should use this studio" comment here.

I see they've gone to some effort with the reflections in the floor, though the one for the presenter is a bit off.


I think that's a function of the Viz Virtual Studio tech that Dock 10 use. (The cameras are fed into the Viz box for keying, so talent reflections are possible (as the camera picture is available within the render engine), whereas in lots of other VR studios the backgrounds are rendered separately and the talent just chroma keyed over downstream of the VR render)

The system in Dock 10 adds a lot of processing delay (I've heard it's around 12 frames - or 1/2 second) which makes framing moving shots based on background elements a real art (you have to anticipate where the background elements will be and stop 'early')
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One World Together

BBC and Channel 5 are both showing it - with the BBC edit broadcasting first.
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Memories Of Video

Ne1L C posted:
noggin posted:
D-VHS decks were sold in the US with Firewire inputs and outputs that could be fed to/from cable (and modified satellite) set top boxes and would record a lossless stream of a single channel (which had been decrypted I believe). Many D-VHS decks sold in the US didn't have MPEG2 encoders - so couldn't record baseband composite NTSC or HD component signals in high quality (eventually some did have this functionality). Some early decks didn't have MPEG2 decoders either - so you had to play your recordings back into your cable box (for it to decode).

ISTR there may have been a route to recording terrestrial 8VSB ATSC as well. It had a moderate degree of success in this niche format for HD archive and time shifting. It was possible to ingest recordings made on D-VHS into PCs ISTR (though the copy protection on some cable broadcasts inhibited this ISTR)

The D-VHS format in the US was allied closely to the encrypted D-Theater movie format that allowed for HD movie releases on VHS shape tapes.


European D-VHS decks didn't have any way of taking in an external transport stream lossslessy - they only had MPEG2 hardware encoders fed either via SD composite/S-Video (possibly component - but I think the lack of RGB SCART was an issue on at least one model?) and possibly also DV25 via Firewire (which was re-encoded to MPEG2). As HD hadn't' really launched in Europe, and DVB-T was still relatively new, D-VHS was really only sold as a higher-quality / longer-recording SD format and went nowhere as it was so expensive...



If that had been possible then it may have looked something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkZX6Nt4NYs


Wow - that must have been a bit of a turkey, launching as an SD-only recorder just as HD was about to launch...
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Memories Of Video

Technologist posted:

Or for quick turn round on EVS
So DV50 did not get a foothold ...
And then there was HD .....


Yep - ironically DV100 has done FAR better than DV50 did. For ages it was the only HD codec that bridged the Avid / FCP / Prem Pro and Windows / Mac divide... (Just). It's still the standard codec in BBC News believe it or not - with all its lovely 1440x1080 subsampled loveliness.

You'd see DV100 clearly in use on EVSs that had chroma key stings, as there was a thin line on the right of frame that would appear when a CSO (aka chroma key) sting was keyed in waiting to be run. EVS had a bug (feature...) that meant the right hand column of samples had blanked chroma (so the final column was B&W only) due to a 1440->1920 resample... As a result the CSO magenta or green background didn't fully key on the right hand column... Was a feature of Strictly for quite a few years...
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New Sky channels: Crime, Comedy, Documentaries, Nature

TVLion posted:
noggin posted:
TVLion posted:
As weird as it seems, I can't see Sky Two going. This is because you can't number your channels if there aren't a multiple amount of them. Numbering BBC channels like BBC One makes sense because there is BBC Two, Three and Four.

Ok, I'm a lot younger than most of you so I wouldn

Pick could merge with Sky Two and Sky Arts can take Pick's spot on Freeview?


Sky One was around a LONG time before Sky Two (Sky Two existed briefly on Sky analogue multichannels) and then re-appeared around 6 or 7 years after Sky Digital launched. So for about 8 years there was a Sky One without a Sky Two?


Ok, as I am a lot younger than most people on here, I didn't know that.


I think the Sky One brand exists outside of a numbering scheme to be honest. Sky Two doesn't have the same brand recognition.
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The Simpsons in the UK

gottago posted:
I'm sure I read somewhere (probably on here) that Domino's orders through Sky were actually quite profitable and were the only element of Open that made any money.


Yes - the heady days before broadband and smart phones...
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New Sky channels: Crime, Comedy, Documentaries, Nature

TVLion posted:
As weird as it seems, I can't see Sky Two going. This is because you can't number your channels if there aren't a multiple amount of them. Numbering BBC channels like BBC One makes sense because there is BBC Two, Three and Four.

Pick could merge with Sky Two and Sky Arts can take Pick's spot on Freeview?


Sky One was around quite a LONG time without a Sky Two.

Sky Two existed briefly on Sky analogue multichannels and then re-appeared around 6 or 7 years after Sky Digital launched
So for long periods there was a Sky One without a Sky Two?
Stuart and Larry the Loafer gave kudos
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The Simpsons in the UK

nwtv2003 posted:
rdd posted:
I do remember the tagline from Domino’s sponsorship of the Simpsons - “Delivering a fresh slice of family life in 30 minutes” (must have been the days when pizza companies still claimed to deliver that quickly).


This was also around the time when Sky Digital was a new venture and then Open was added in 1999, where you were able to order Domino's Pizza through your TV, and I remember they made a big deal of that at the time. For good measure I'm fairly certain Domino's had a page on SkyText for promotional purposes.

There was a Simpsons episode from the early 2000's where there was a derogatory joke about Domino's Pizza, which Sky cut back in the day, when Domino's were the sponsor.


Yep - I remember the novelty of using my TV to order pizza (and also check my HSBC bank statement!). All through the magic of a 56k (or was it just 28.8k?) dial up modem (also used to ensure boxes stayed in the right homes to avoid multi-room fraud)
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BBC Oneness - idents and presentation

JAS84 posted:
I thought the 1991 globe was CGI too. I guess now it makes sense why they didn't call it COW2.


Well COW was the name of the hardware that generated the ident - and the Lambie Nairn globe came off CRV component laser discs...
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Memories Of Video

Technologist posted:
Thanks for the correction ..... I knew the form factor was the same ...
The DV50 formats were not widely recognised .... Or used ...


Indeed - DV25 (in either 4:1:1 or 4:2:0) was 'good enough' for News and low-end docs, and for higher-end production DigiBeta (which used a higher bitrate proprietary codec that remained sealed within the VTR, which only had baseband I/O) was used for acquisition and delivery, and inter-frame codecs used for post (DNX, ProRes etc.)

DV50 performed largely as well as the higher bitrate DigiBeta visually - but Sony made the better cameras - so DigiBeta camcorders became the de facto standard, and Digital Betacam had become a de facto delivery standard (apart from Channel 4's blip of using D5 because of their fear of codec concatenation impacting on their new 34Mbs (?) component transmitter circuits). Sony were very careful not to make a camcorder format that would have cannibalised their high-end DigiBeta sales (as DV50 models would) - leaving you with a choice of DV25 or DigiBeta if you wanted a one-piece Sony camcorder.

IMX33 and 50 could have made more in roads - but by the time it arrived everyone was looking towards HD production. IMX33 was in widespread use as a News-quality SD server format (Quantel used it in their news editing platform - and AIUI it outperformed DV25) and IMX50 is the SD standard used for DPP (largely used for delivery of archive shows). The 1/2" Sony IMX VTRs are a very neat cul-de-sac to go down - and it was the point at which Sony 1/2" formats finally really embraced native compressed data interchange?

DVC Pro 50 only really saw use at the BBC on EastEnders ISTR (where it was used as a location camcorder format and ISTR DV50 codecs were used on the Ingex open source hard drive recorders the BBC used for a while). I'm guessing some DVC Pro 50 VTRs were used as backups for this - but that delivery was on DigiBeta.
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Good Morning Britain in 2020

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It’s the generic uk logo also. NHS uk is just that logo. When it has the word ‘England’ under it... then it’s nhs England. They are hardly going to put all 4 variants for each region of it on the screen are they... just type in google images ‘NHS UK logo’...


I'm sorry, but it really isn't. There is no NHS UK. They all function independently. It's just that the England logo is often incorrectly used to represent all 4 by people who don't realise all 4 nations work separately, a problem which unfortunately isn't limited to the NHS logo.

What does NHS stand for?


National Health Service.

There are often deemed to be 4 nations that make up the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (Yes - some will argue only Scotland and England are nations, Wales a principality - but others will disagree...) so there are 4 National Health Services, one for each Nation?
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Coronavirus - Impact on live/recorded shows

Brekkie posted:

The insurance question is interesting in that article - highlighted there by asking if insurers will cover strangers not tested and not vaccinated against COVID-19 getting into bed together on Love Island.


Presumably they will test and quarantine all participants (and crew) to avoid this being an issue?