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Good Morning Britain in 2020

natoswald posted:





For context :

BBC One
0600-0900 1.4m/39.8% share Breakfast
0900-1000 2.0m/32.6% share BBC News

ITV
0600-0900 0.9m/26.5% share GMB
0900-1000 1.3m/21.4% share GMB with Lorraine

GMB still not breaking the 1m or 30% share barriers - and still definitely playing catch-up to Breakfast and BBC News.

If I get bored I'll look out Breakfast's peak...
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The BBC World News Thread

kman2020 posted:
JamesWorldNews posted:
I guess anything is possible to make it all look more seamless as long as you have resources. I guess they’re doing the best they can technically with limited resources and whilst it seems very messy to us News Junkies and Pres Geeks, it still takes quite a bit of effort for those overstretched staff to achieve what goes out on 4 sources simultaneously.

The “average viewer” (forgive me for that) won’t notice anything other than Kate’s on!


I totally agree and think they're still putting out a great product, despite the challenges. And for us overseas, its interesting to get a look in on a UK-focused newscast.

In regards to this transition I mentioned above, I've seen it the last few weekends. It seems that given everyone watching the Six presenter after the quick break is going to transition to the NC/World presenter, they could write it into the script so its not so abrupt.

"I'm Kate Silverton; BBC News continues with Shaun Lay, please stick with us. For now though, Damian Grammaticas reports from Madrid on Spain's reopening..."


BBC One bulletins are always optimised for BBC One - as they can have 100x the audience of the same bulletin on the News Channel. The aim is for the BBC One bulletin to appear entirely standalone, not even acknowledging that it's a simulcast.

A simulcast bulletin getting 6,000,000 on BBC One may only get 60,000 on the BBC News Channel.
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O2 & Virgin Media To Merge

London Lite posted:
I'd like to hope that some of the methods used at Virgin Mobile are introduced to O2, such as two contracts, one for airtime and the other an interest free loan for the handset.


O2 have certainly had split airtime and handset payments in the past, with the handset payment ceasing at the end of the finance period, and the airtime section effectively continuing at the same price as a SIM-only deal.
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BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

Rkolsen posted:
noggin posted:
Markymark posted:

Looks like there could be a wallbox in the bottom right of that that photo ?


Yes. PQ has lots of 'presentation spaces' pre-wired. That's been 'a thing' in BBC buildings for decades - dating back to BBC Oxford Road and Pebble Mill buildings.

NBH has copper and fibre connectivity in most areas.


Wired for Triax or general HD-SDI, a lot of the studio cameras output 3G HD-SDI so that wouldn’t be an issue (especially with maximum lengths of digital triax).


A mix - though PQ is SMPTE fibre for cameras, not Triax - so I'd expect some SMPTE fibres, rather than triax, (to run cameras over) that would go to a patch position to allow them to be patched to CCUs. 'Proper' cameras don't use HD-SDI or 3G-SDI for interconnection - they use SMPTE or Triax - as that carries prompt feed, reverse vision for the operator to see the programme and feed a vanity monitor (or in some cases also a secondary feed - like an ME bank to line-up and inset shot etc.), talkback, programme sound (so the operator can hear the programme), tallies etc. All that happens over a single SMPTE fibre connection - and that also powers the camera. One cable.


SDI connectivity for cameras is really limited to cheap news installations where brick cameras or cheap PTZs are used. The more features you add to the camera, the more cables you end up looming together, so much so you end up with a horrible snake of a mesh-wrapped umbilical (or worse - lots of taped together cables)

(Though many people run prompt hoods from a separate power feed rather than the camera power outlet - to avoid a failing prompt hood tripping the camera power. So even with SMPTE or Triax you can end up with a loom still...)

There will probably be some SDI (or fibre-to-SDI converters) to allow for in-vision and out-of-vision monitors. Some audio connectivity - both copper and possibly fibre connectivity to allow a stage box to be connected, and also possibly some RF or RF-over-fibre routing to allow RF mics and IEMs to work)

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Fiber I assume could be connected to a multiplex system (like from Multidyne were they bought by Belden ?)and transmit almost a whole studios worth of cameras.


Not sure why you'd bother with that - just patch SMPTEs between camera heads and CCUs? Why would you need to multiplex it? Fibre isn't that expensive to install when you build a studio centre.

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And now I think Grass Valleys new LDX100 camera you’re can just plug it into any 10 or 25GB fiber connection and connects to the network.


Yep - if you buy the Direct IP system then the camera can be plugged into a SHED-style device to inject power at the camera end, and passively convert the SMPTE cable feed to an IT connector (SC/ST etc.) and connect to an IP-switch. Somewhere else on the IP network will be a corresponding XCU (GVGs name for a Direct IP CCU) that you connect to the switch, and that has audio and video connectivity (baseband or IP) that you would expect. if you don't need any of that baseband functionality then it's possible that you can run a GVG camera without an XCU.
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The BBC under threat from the government

trivialmatters posted:
I don't think conditional access is the way forward.

I'd much rather lay out a narrower set of responsibilities for the BBC and have it funded by general taxation.


I think general taxation is a mistake, as it makes the BBC a political football, and it removes the direct link between viewer and broadcaster.

The Swedish and German models of a fixed personal or household fee seem a better way of funding it if you ditch the licence.
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BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

Markymark posted:
Rkolsen posted:

I take it it’s wired for cameras? Weren’t some of these new facilities wired so you could go live anywhere?


Looks like there could be a wallbox in the bottom right of that that photo ?


Yes. PQ has lots of 'presentation spaces' pre-wired. That's been 'a thing' in BBC buildings for decades - dating back to BBC Oxford Road and Pebble Mill buildings.

NBH has copper and fibre connectivity in most areas.
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Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

Hatton Cross posted:
noggin posted:

An SVT staff director was one of the three directors working on Rotterdam. He also directs Skavlan, the Swedish/Norwegian chat show which is recorded in Oslo, Stockholm, London and New York, and directed one of the semi finals in Stockholm 2016 (and the songs from his SF that made the final)


3 directors?
Even allowing for Cue Pilot to be running the performances - and someone with a directioral eye to load the angles and cuts in first - 3 seems a lot? I know they would split up the show between them, so would it be:-

1 director for all the 'manual' parts. Hosts speaking, Voting ect
1 director for the performances, and interval acts
1 director for the postcards and EBU produced breakfiller material and live hits?


The Swedish director was due to direct one of the semifinals. He was also the only director experienced with CuePilot, and camera scripting music in general. Dutch TV directors don't routinely camera script music, which is a must for ESC these days (whether you use CuePilot or not) In the Netherlands they routinely busk music.

Skavlan is not CuePilot, but is beats-bars scripted, as it was originally directed by a Norwegian director (and beat/bar scripting is the norm in Norway). (Most other Swedish TV pre-CuePilot, inc ESC 2013, that had a camera script, was 'seconds scripted', and with a few exceptions that's still the case. Second scripting is REALLY odd to listen to as it often totally fights the music)

There is no real need for the person scripting the numbers in CuePilot to be in the truck (some of the Kyiv 2017 performances were scripted by people who never visited Ukraine ISTR), as long as the person who is is an experienced and sensible director who can cope with unforeseen issues.

In 2016 there were two directors ISTR - one directed SF1, the other directed SF2, both were in the truck next to each other for the final (each calling the songs that they had scripted)

The postcard directing would usually be done by a 'film' single-camera director (or directors). who would have nothing to do with the live show.

There are two big parts of directing a show like ESC :

1. Scripting
2. Live directing

The person doing 2. doesn't have to be the person who did 1. these days.
Last edited by noggin on 11 May 2020 11:22am - 4 times in total
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BBC News: Presenters, correspondent & rotas

Rolling News posted:
cmthwtv posted:
Rolling News posted:
Not sure but today's set up (lunch and early evening same presenter, late a senior presenter) was similar to the set up they had at the weekends during the 1990s and early 2000s. I think I'm right in saying the likes of Moira Stuart or Chris Lowe would do the lunch and teatime before someone more 'senior' (but just as good) such as Sissons or Buerk would come in to do the late. At some point this changed so the same presenter would do all 3 bulletins, until it became standard for the duty News Channel presenter to do the lunchtime summary.


I recall Peter Sissons after moving to News 24 always used to do the evening news on a Saturday. I’m not sure whether that was separate or apart of that period as I was quite a bit younger the time.

Peter occasionally did the weekend news after moving to News 24 but I don't think it was a regular thing. Darren Jordon was the main face on Saturday and Sunday evening's for quite a long period of time.


When Huw and Fiona took over the Ten O'Clock News, the Sunday late bulletin was Ten O'Clock News branded and Fiona used to be the regular presenter. (The Saturday bulletin wasn't Ten branded)

From memory Huw usually did Mon-Thu, and Fiona did Fri and Sun.
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BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

Brekkie posted:
Didn't they do the Commonwealth Games highlights from there?

If you mean the Clare Balding show - no that came from the café area on the ground floor, not the canteen on the top floor.

Quote:

I'm guessing the canteen is out of use at the moment.


There are social distancing circles on the ground as there are in other BBC canteens - and I expect people are still working in PQ and need to eat. They may not be sitting down in the canteen though.
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Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

gottago posted:
mici0123 posted:
I don't know about 2019 though, but I wouldn't be surprised if KAN heavily relied on outside help considering it only came to be in 2017. Also since 2017 the local broadcasters logo was missing from the end credits and online branding. Maybe because of their limited involvement?

I know Christer Bjorkman and that Ola guy worked on it but Israel has one of the most advanced TV industries in the world so I would have thought it was many KAN. They certainly gave themselves enough namechecks during the show!


There were a LOT of imported production and crew. Madonna's interval act was directed by the main Melodifestivalen director (who shared directing duties of 2016's ESC with the staff director I mention above). Al Gurdon lit that element too.

AIUI there were largely Israeli HoDs - but with a lot of support...
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Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

mici0123 posted:

Though next year I do expect that AVROTROS and NOS will pretty much run the show themselves. They are much more established and expirienced.


An SVT staff director was one of the three directors working on Rotterdam. He also directs Skavlan, the Swedish/Norwegian chat show which is recorded in Oslo, Stockholm, London and New York, and directed one of the semi finals in Stockholm 2016 (and the songs from his SF that made the final)
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BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

Charles posted:
One advantage of Zoom is that you can keep adding multiple people to the same call, and you can do several live shots in a row somewhat easily. You can keep the later guests/reporters waiting in the waiting room feature so that they don’t inadvertently show up on air before they’re ready. It’s a little quicker than Skype in that scenario, where you have to generally call up and hang up on each guest individually.

Only downside to Zoom though is we haven’t been able to figure out how to get the sound from the computer, so reporters and guests have to dial into IFB like any other live shot in order to hear programming and to use as their microphone. But maybe the BBC has that figured out.


Don't really understand the problem. If you have a 'studio' user joining the conference from a 'studio' PC with audio I/O, you feed mix-minus (i.e. everything but the Zoom audio) to the Zoom studio PC to act as the 'mic' source, and take the 'studio' Zoom PC's audio output as the on-air audio?

You'd either use a USB Audio I/O device (with analogue or AES I/O), possibly an AoIP driver if you're running IP audio in your facility, or just use an analogue audio balanced to unbalanced converter to an analogue line-in input, and take the output from the PC from HDMI via an HDMI->SDI converter and a de-embedder? Worst case you do analogue I/O from a pair of 3.5mm Line In and Line Out jacks on a PC's motherboard analogue audio I/O?
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