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noggin Founding member 18 May 2020 9:31am

Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

I find it interesting that the three acts which seemed to get the most interest online ( Daði og Gagnamagnið for Iceland, Little Big for Russia, and The Roop for Lithuania) are among those not confirmed for next year, though, of course, it's not as though there's not time yet for this to change with a year to go until the 2021 event.

As regards Daði Freyr it has been a bit weird. Originally he said he didn't want to compete in 2021. Under some pressure RÚV offered him the chance to compete in Söngvakeppnin next year but he didn't seem too impressed with. It all got a bit unseemly when on Thursday night, after winning the SVT replacement show, Christer Bjorkman offered him a place in Melodifestivalen next year!

Did Christer offer him a place (i.e. to compete?), or just the opportunity to perform ?

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 6:11pm

Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

I think the NOS/NPO/AVRO/TROS team had a near-impossible task - particularly given the vastly different experiences of different Eurovision nations, and the different stages different countries are in in terms of the pandemic.

That said - I think they struggled to find the right tone. Can we be funny? Can we make a joke? There was, at times, a sense of reverence and respect that possibly didn't always need to be there. You can be upbeat without trivialising the situation we all - to a greater or lesser extent - find ourselves in.

Whilst you can acknowledge the reality of your venue being a hospital - you can script that in many ways to not destroy the mood. Johnny Logan though - he didn't do the show any favours.

Whilst I can see why they got messages from the artists featured - there were inevitably going to be issues around everyone saying the same things, and that repetition is kind of unavoidable.

Where the show succeeded was in the celebration performances (Molitva, Heroes, Hallelujah and the two Love Shine A Light performances), and the message from Björn from Abba was a lovely moment. I think where it failed was often in the baggy two-ways with former artists.

When Graham popped up at the end, I think we got a sense of what the show could have been like. He was fun, honest, warm and heartfelt in his obvious love for the contest and what it means to so many.

Of the three hosts, Jan seemed to be the one who struggled a bit more with the overall tone. Edsilia knows the contest well, is loved by fans, and obviously loves Eurovision. Chantal had a bit of a spark - and bounced off people well.

it IS very difficult to make a show like that with three hosts and not much for them to do but read links and interview down-the-line guests with huge delays.

I do wonder if The Big Night In benefited from being far more intimate? I'm not saying they should have done the show from a broom cupboard - but at times the presenters looked almost lost within the set.

I'd recommend watching the German show https://www.ardmediathek.de/ard/more/76nD8lAi7zRYrTrgrmIfcl/eurovision-song-contest-2020-oder-die-shows to have a look at how Barbara handled things, and how they made the most of an empty venue. Some of the humour may have been a bit 'too soon?' but the tone felt much more positive - whilst acknowledging the challenges we face.

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 4:03pm

Top of the Pops

davidhorman posted:

I'm perpetually slightly miffed that they won't upload SD material to iPlayer at 50fps.

Would Starlight/Numero Uno at 10:45 come with a flashing images warning these days?

It depends on the delivery route I think. Some SD shows are compliance edited in HD these days - so are treated similarly to HD originated shows.

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 3:10pm

Broadcasting to YouTube

To broadcast live to YouTube etc. it's often easier to get an HDMI->USB interface that simulates a webcam rather than a capture device like a Blackmagic Intensity, and remove the need to use OBS or similar as an intermediate stage. (They also let you use the same camera as a high quality webcam for Zoom, Skype and potentially FaceTime - though that may be trickier)

If you do want to live stream rather than edit - then Magewell make HDMI->USB 'webcam' style capture solutions - though they aren't cheap. There are much cheaper 'EzCap' solutions which are branded via various Chinese no-name suppliers for ~£100-150 - though their quality may be lower and they may not handle all frame rates (though that may not be an issue for you)

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 3:04pm

The BBC World News Thread

Rkolsen posted:

noggin posted:

Rkolsen posted:

So a Viz engine would be feeding the gallery a background rather than downstream.

The whole way the graphics engines are setup here are confusing and that’s why I was wondering if it was downstream. And could Mosart and BNCS handle that?

Yes - the galleries have dedicated Viz engines for DVE box backgrounds, full-screen still images etc. Those are cut/routed by the gallery vision mixer and are present on all outputs. For DVE boxes the Viz generating the box background is likely to be upstream keyed within an ME bank, possibly using resizers rather than a DVE, (or it could be fed into a DVE background channel if the DVE can be used independently of an ME bank, and is itself a source). There are many ways of skinning that cat on a modern mixer - and your options vary depending whether you are Sony, GVG original, GVG Kahuna etc.

Because you may need to feed things to in-vision screens as well as cutting them to air - doing all of that downstream wouldn't make sense.

Additionally there are additional overlaid Viz engines downstream of the gallery vision mixer that key on different on-screen furniture (lower thirds, flipper, clock, channel logo etc.)

Okay that answers another thing so full screen graphics are the same if they’re going out on two different styles?

Also I seem to remember (or dreamed) a post where Victoria Derbyshire Show went out as a simulcast but due to breaking news BBC Two remained with her custom package while News went with their style.

Yes - in general full screen graphics such as still photos, animating graphic explainers etc. would be on all outputs and sourced from a single source for all outlets (i.e. cut up on the main mixer output). it's not unusual to start with a graphic in a screen and then take it full-frame too.

Lower thirds and other overlaid on-screen furniture (ticker/flipper, clock, logo, name captions, story captions - and in some cases live bug and live locators) can all be added downstream with different styles used for different outputs if needed - but the full-screen graphics (boxed stills, DVE box backgrounds etc.) would be in a single style for all outlets.

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 3:00pm

Broadcasting House Studios

JKDerry posted:

Is it harder working out/finding out the current BBC Broadcasting House television and radio studios compared to the television studios of the old BBC Television Centre (pre-2013 closure)?

Yes - the BBC is always far more careful to restrict detailed information (particularly precise locations) of their news studios - particularly those broadcasting to sensitive regions - for obvious security reasons.

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 2:58pm

Broadcasting House Studios

deejay posted:

Some of the information is harder to come by because none of the studios at NBH (with the exception of Studio V) can be hired out by external client, whereas the main block studios at TVC were commercially available, hence why there were floor plans, tech specs, drawings and decent images. I’ll have a look at the Wikipedia page and see if there’s anything majorly wrong that I can explain.

EDIT actually it looks relatively up to date to me.

Please feel free to ask any questions or clarify anything.

Studio V isn't marketed in the way BBC Studioworks or BBC Resources studios were either, and hasn't ever, to my knowledge, been hired by an external client (though I may be wrong) other than RTÉ, and that was a slightly special case due to the close links between the BBC and RTÉ and the BBC International Unit.

It's a grey area - but Studio V is effectively fully funded by BBC Studios for The One Show (and also used for other BBC Studios shows like Sunday Morning Live, Front Row Late, Rip Off Britain Live, Healthcheck UK Live etc.). The studio is technically owned by BBC Content, and managed by BBC D+E, but the day-to-day management of the space is mainly handled by BBC Studios and D+E.

The only independent production, I think, to use it has been the now-defunct 'This Week', made by Juniper, which itself was a special case as they usually used the BBC Millbank studios (and I believe the BBC resources were, unusually, included as part of their commission). In that situation the change of studio was handled internally within the BBC - and Juniper didn't really get involved AFAIK.

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 2:52pm

Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

mici0123 posted:

noggin posted:

With mobile phones you may be able to restrict voting based on the country the phone number is registered in - so roaming phones can't vote for their 'home' country. The problem with San Marino is that their landlines are effectively on the Italian phone network.

Same goes for mobile phones. San Marino does not have an operator of it's own, they are just served by the Italian networks.

Yep - so that explains why they can't have a televote - but I think the 'mobile phone roaming' thing can be mitigated (and may well be)

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 2:00pm

Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

Richard posted:

So, I’m confused.

On BBC One it was on 8-10 and RTÉ One it was 8-10.05, same (in BST) on TVE Internacional
On Das Erste in Germany it is on 8.55-10.55 BST - apparently according to Wikipedia it was delayed there.
But in Italy (on Rai 1) it is scheduled 7.35-10.35 BST. Where did the extra hour come from? SMTv in San Marino is also Currently simulcasting Rai 1 including ads. On RTPi (Portugal) it is being shown 9-11.15 which is also longer.

Is there a longer version which some channels are broadcasting? Or are they just using local filler material?

France Television had a wraparound show from a studio in France - which started about 6 minutes before the main show, and that they went to during the ad breaks, and for a 15 minute or so discussion afterwards. During some of the show they also overlaid their studio in a small box over the Dutch show (kind of like in-vision commentary) or went to split screen boxes.

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 1:45pm

Top of the Pops

Colm posted:

I think it's actually shot on 35mm film, rather than filmised; the clip comes from a filmed concert, "From a Distance - Cliff Richard: The Event", which I believe was issued on video, and certainly broadcast on ITV (with simultaneous stereo audio across most ILR stations) during Christmas 1989.

Yes - agree. None of the tell-tale signs of late-80s electronic video cameras.

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 1:44pm

Top of the Pops

james-2001 posted:

The Cliff Richard video on the 24/8/89 edition looks like filmised video. 1989 seems early for them to be doing this, but it must have been around then. Clearly a very early example.

No - that definitely looks like good quality film. There are no late-80s video camera artefacts on it (tubed trails, CCD white/red lines on highlights, no blown out highlights, no detail enhancement or aperture correction 'edge' effects etc.) and nor is there the tell-tale vertical resolution drop of late 80s field-dropping in a DVE.

That's film.

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noggin Founding member 17 May 2020 12:46pm

Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

deejay posted:

Yes and it must be impossible to police people not being able to vote for their own country if they’re in border areas and chose to use the neighbouring mobile signal to register a vote? And for countries like San Marino, Monaco and Andorra I suppose that’s a significant chunk of the country?!

With mobile phones you may be able to restrict voting based on the country the phone number is registered in - so roaming phones can't vote for their 'home' country. The problem with San Marino is that their landlines are effectively on the Italian phone network.

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