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No Such Thing as the News

Steve in Pudsey posted:
It looks like it's been shot on a bunch of static Go Pros and a couple of operated PSC style cameras all recording independently and stitched together in the edit. Which is how many video podcasts are done, and would explain the lack of racking.


They looked to be a bit better than GoPros - I suspected locked off PSC cameras (which can be racked if you can be bothered to do things properly).
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No Such Thing as the News

Yes - very much 'radio on the TV' territory. Not the world's best lighting, and the cameras don't look like they have been well set-up or racked. (Some quite 'hot' shots)

It's also very 'static' coverage (looks like a lot of locked off cameras and some that are re-framed off-shot), and feels pretty edited - as though it has been ISOed and cut in an edit rather than cut as-live.

I hadn't realised it was commissioned by News rather than Entertainment or Comedy. The production values are closer to a news budget - so that might explain the 'low fi' feel.

Not sure I'd chose to watch it again - far rather listen to it as a podcast.
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Foreign drama thread (BBC4, C4's Walter Pres, Sky Arts etc)

dvboy posted:
I think the worst ones I've seen were on 1992 on Sky Arts, some of the translations from Italian were a little dodgy and the sentence structure was sometimes difficult.


Some of the Nordic series are pretty bad too.
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Foreign drama thread (BBC4, C4's Walter Pres, Sky Arts etc)

bilky asko posted:
Subtitling also means that (with sufficient knowledge of the source language), you can circumvent poor translation, or simply the limitations of translation, and get a better feel for the original material, whilst you don't end up getting lost in the more complex areas of the language.

I also find that reading subtitles, whether alongside material you have a good understanding of, or little or no understanding of at all, becomes second nature after a little while.


This is true. The quality of subtitles - even on BBC Four dramas - is incredibly variable.
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Foreign drama thread (BBC4, C4's Walter Pres, Sky Arts etc)

Steve in Pudsey posted:
Dubbed or subtitled? I guess it being selectable through the language option in receivers is too much to ask

Subtitled I'd expect. Luckily we don't dub drama in the UK.

I remember Channel Four imported a French drama series when it launched, and they experimented with showing it both dubbed into English and subtitle into English. They quickly dropped the dubbed version.

I do have dim recollections of some of the Brazilian telenovelas on Channel Four on saturday mornings possibly being dubbed (Dancin' days was one I think) - but I also have memories of listening to the Portuguese language so they were either shown in both ways or were just subtitle...

Subtitling is a much more cost effective solution than dubbing, and also preserves the original actors' performances. I remember buying a US DVD of a French movie that wasn't available in the UK at the time - and was amazed that it included an American-voiced dub. It was hilariously bad...
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Eurovision 2016

IndigoTucker posted:
It depends a lot on who taught you English.


And what TV you watch and Radio you listen to. I've noticed that Swedish friends in their 30s and 40s who watched a lot of US TV (Dallas, Dynasty etc.) growing up have quite American accents, but younger Swedes who watch Morse, Lewis, Midsomer Murders etc. have more British accents.

Another reason more Scandinavian and Nordic people have British accents these days is that many of them alslo come to live in London for a year or two (not just as au pairs). I know a couple of Danish people and a Norwegian who spent time here and who have almost perfect London English accents, only occasionally giving their heritage away.

This presenter who presented X Factor in Norway at one point has a remarkably good English accent : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4_1CSoFZcg

(And if you're wondering why early-00s pop band A1 are on X Factor in Norway, one of them is Norwegian and they tried to represent Norway in Eurovision a few years ago. See - I can bring it back on topic Smile )
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Eurovision 2016

Rob_Schneider posted:
She's got a very English accent though, which makes me wonder if it's a British actress. I'm not into my Scandi dramas I'm afraid!


I would say she has a normal 'Swedish with British' English accent rather than an English accent - though I could easily be wrong.

When you meet Scandinavian people you can usually hear whether they've learned 'British' or 'American' English, as alongside their native accent they either have a British or American English pronunciation influence.

I spend a lot of time in the region - and wouldn't say she didn't sound Swedish.
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Eurovision 2016

Whataday posted:
Helena von Zweigbergk is the name of a famous Swedish journalist and crime writer.


Yes - though I don't think it's her playing the character.
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Eurovision 2016

Doesn't look that much like Mel to me. I'd expect the character to be played by a Swedish actress.

The character name 'Lena von Zweigbergk' is interesting. That's the surname of Henrik, the ESC floor manager who is very well known in Sweden. Wonder if that is an in-joke?
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Eurovision 2016

dosxuk posted:
scottishtv posted:
digipal posted:
Watching what was going on in the arena during the postcards was facinating, the stage floor lighting up and showing where props should go with arrows pointing exit here and enter here, put pyro blanket here, etc
Sounds incredible! I hope some backstage/off air footage can be found of that - amazing.
In a similar vein, I enjoyed the first five mins of the footage on the YouTube video of the arena before going on air.


I think, considering the way people are going on about this, that it's worth pointing out this is nowhere near a new idea. It's been being done for at least the last 10 years. One year they even used a specifically rigged laser above the stage to provide the markings.

Yes - was that Oslo when they were an LED-free zone?

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It's not even an exclusive Eurovision trick. On my tiny (in comparison) shows, while not using LED floors, we often use the position of lights to reset performances (along with a lot of florescent gaffer tape, but we're not allowed to talk about that here). How to make sure the piano is lit properly? Put the piano position light on and wheel it into the the lit up spot.


Oft used technique in TV studios too - particularly after a floor paint when all the marks have gone.
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Eurovision 2016

I knew I'd seen the Russian 'stand on invisible foot rests in a rubber wall' technique at Eurovision before. Belarus 2007 used it (but without the projection). You can see the construction of the rubber (or similar stretch fabric) covered wall is very similar (angled with a black side).

I wonder if they had the same creative director? (Belarus and Russia are very close culturally and I wouldn't be surprised if the same pool of people worked artistically in both countries)



So in reality Russia this year was a well executed hybrid of Sweden 2015 (performer integrated into front projection - a technique memorably used in Melodifestivalen 2012 by Charlotte Perrelli nee Nilsson with 'The Girl' (*)) and a wall with invisible supports (Belarus 2007). You can see the MF performance also uses the ' white in the projector for artist lighting' technique, when they are surrounded by graphics (to avoid a follow spot bleaching it all out) - which you can see Russia also used at times.

(*)
You'll see the wings in this year's Russian entry may have a passing resemblance to the wings in Charlotte Perrelli's performance too...
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BBC News Channel & World News to merge?

Media Boy posted:
I think its a really interesting opportunity. Effectively starting with a blank sheet, rethinking how NBH resources are used and how services can be delivered in a really thought through way - not just smashing things together - which is what happens now.
Things can't stand still. Technology is changing, and News can change with it.
It will be different. It won't (and can't) be everything to everyone.
But it's got to be worth a look hasn't it?


^^^^ THIS

Journalism is journalism and should be at the heart of it. The News Channel vs World News vs News Stream vs BBC News Online vs Five Live vs Radio Four vs the BBC News App vs Twitter vs Facebook vs Local Radio vs Regional TV vs World Service Radio and TV are all just ways of getting the right journalism to the right audiences, and delivering public service value to the people who pay for it (or who it is being paid for). It's not about a TV Channel or a studio...

Having a new way of delivering TV News could be an opportunity to rethink how studios are used - how networks are scheduled and produced - how coverage and programmes can be shared more effectively etc.
Last edited by noggin on 18 May 2016 4:16pm